Are the Big Job Boards Withering Away? - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-28T21:09:16Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/502551:Topic:273589?id=502551%3ATopic%3A273589&feed=yes&xn_auth=noNot wanting to hijack this aw…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2008-10-20:502551:Comment:2905152008-10-20T01:20:28.507ZSteve Levyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Dieselevy
Not wanting to hijack this away from Ken's original question, but one of the major issues with any professional endeavor is exactly the failure to plan and measure; measuring after the fact is rarely done and the result is that notions of reality stand unchecked. SCIP is one place; <a href="http://www.bidigital.com/ci/">more are here</a>.<br />
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cite>Noelle Tardieu said:…
Not wanting to hijack this away from Ken's original question, but one of the major issues with any professional endeavor is exactly the failure to plan and measure; measuring after the fact is rarely done and the result is that notions of reality stand unchecked. SCIP is one place; <a href="http://www.bidigital.com/ci/">more are here</a>.<br />
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cite>Noelle Tardieu said:<blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topic/show?id=502551%3ATopic%3A273589&page=3&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A290418&x=1#502551Comment290418"><div>The challenge is that when there is a hiring frenzy going on, there is no time for metrics everything must [be] results driven.</div>
</blockquote> I agree with you Steve that w…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2008-10-19:502551:Comment:2904182008-10-19T22:26:07.405ZNoelle Tardieuhttps://recruitingblogs.com/xn/detail/u_1g8nzi7p6vaew
I agree with you Steve that we need to have sourcing metrics to understand where to spend our time.<br />
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The challenge is that when there is a hiring frenzy going on, there is no time for metrics everything must results driven.<br />
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Job boards can sometimes show you unexpected trends which are often useful for your sourcing competitive intelligence info. See SCIP.org for more info on C.I.<br />
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I agree with you Steve that we need to have sourcing metrics to understand where to spend our time.<br />
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The challenge is that when there is a hiring frenzy going on, there is no time for metrics everything must results driven.<br />
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Job boards can sometimes show you unexpected trends which are often useful for your sourcing competitive intelligence info. See SCIP.org for more info on C.I.<br />
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<cite>Steve Levy said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topic/show?id=502551%3ATopic%3A273589&x=1&page=3#502551Comment289716"><div>Noelle brings up THE point of recruiting - sources of hire (I'm sure this is what was hidden in your comment, right N?). Without conducting an analysis of historical sources of hire, any recruiter with access to multiple channels of talent pools (Monster, CB, etc. are a single channel), you're probably over-investing your time in one area over another.<br/> Nothing should whither away; however, detailed analysis should dictate how much energy is spent in one area.</div>
</blockquote> Noelle brings up THE point of…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2008-10-18:502551:Comment:2897162008-10-18T12:02:13.772ZSteve Levyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Dieselevy
Noelle brings up THE point of recruiting - sources of hire (I'm sure this is what was hidden in your comment, right N?). Without conducting an analysis of historical sources of hire, any recruiter with access to multiple channels of talent pools (Monster, CB, etc. are a single channel), you're probably over-investing your time in one area over another.<br />
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Nothing should whither away; however, detailed analysis should dictate how much energy is spent in one area.
Noelle brings up THE point of recruiting - sources of hire (I'm sure this is what was hidden in your comment, right N?). Without conducting an analysis of historical sources of hire, any recruiter with access to multiple channels of talent pools (Monster, CB, etc. are a single channel), you're probably over-investing your time in one area over another.<br />
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Nothing should whither away; however, detailed analysis should dictate how much energy is spent in one area. There is this perhaps an elit…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2008-10-18:502551:Comment:2893162008-10-18T01:48:24.813ZNoelle Tardieuhttps://recruitingblogs.com/xn/detail/u_1g8nzi7p6vaew
There is this perhaps an elitism aura that job boards are beneath some people.<br />
Spare me.<br />
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I am not proud because I will look anywhere for candidates including the job boards.<br />
Those old resumes on hotjobs are a gold mine for passive tech candidates.<br />
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The bottom line is that you need to know how to scour a job board as well<br />
as scrape the search engines. Yes, engines because they all use different algorithms<br />
and the search indexes are changed every few weeks. You can sure tell when<br />
a lousy index…
There is this perhaps an elitism aura that job boards are beneath some people.<br />
Spare me.<br />
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I am not proud because I will look anywhere for candidates including the job boards.<br />
Those old resumes on hotjobs are a gold mine for passive tech candidates.<br />
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The bottom line is that you need to know how to scour a job board as well<br />
as scrape the search engines. Yes, engines because they all use different algorithms<br />
and the search indexes are changed every few weeks. You can sure tell when<br />
a lousy index is being used. This is like one of those ubi…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2008-10-17:502551:Comment:2891182008-10-17T21:50:37.393ZSteve Levyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Dieselevy
This is like one of those ubiquitous discussions about which ATS is better, are passives better than actives, Obama or McCain. <i>You say toe-may-toe, I say toe-mah-toe.</i><br />
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Ken's original question mentioned that he <i>"noticed a verbal backlash against the big jobs boards"</i> from corp recruiters. Let's add another reason why...a proliferation of agencies who pull resumes off the big job boards and present these to corp recruiters as candidates. It's become a blessed race by the corp…
This is like one of those ubiquitous discussions about which ATS is better, are passives better than actives, Obama or McCain. <i>You say toe-may-toe, I say toe-mah-toe.</i><br />
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Ken's original question mentioned that he <i>"noticed a verbal backlash against the big jobs boards"</i> from corp recruiters. Let's add another reason why...a proliferation of agencies who pull resumes off the big job boards and present these to corp recruiters as candidates. It's become a blessed race by the corp recruiters to pull someone off the board before an agency wonk gets them first. Nothing more maddening than a TPR submitting a job board person to a company who also has a subscription to the same board.<br />
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Here's another problem with recruiters: Very few look at the process of job search through the eyes of the job seeker. We would like people to gravitate to the niche sites but marketing budgets ensure that Monster's won't scare people away and careers can be built at CareerBuilder (and if Rob McGovern has his was, also at JobFox). It's not as if heads of Career Services at colleges know how to teach effective job search or career management (let's add corp HR too). People will post to places they know best.<br />
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You know that in the best scenario all professionals would know how to manage their careers and their brand but this is my Field of Recruiting Dreams... Thanks Ken, I appreciate that…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2008-10-17:502551:Comment:2890602008-10-17T21:29:38.418ZTodd Goldsteinhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ToddGoldstein
Thanks Ken, I appreciate that!<br />
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<cite>Ken Horst said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topic/show?id=502551%3ATopic%3A273589&page=2#502551Comment289031"><div>Nice site!<br></br><br></br><cite>Todd Goldstein said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topic/show?id=502551%3ATopic%3A273589&page=2&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A288920&x=1#502551Comment288920"><div>I have used all the big boards out there and I think the fast food analogy is…</div>
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Thanks Ken, I appreciate that!<br />
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<cite>Ken Horst said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topic/show?id=502551%3ATopic%3A273589&page=2#502551Comment289031"><div>Nice site!<br/><br/><cite>Todd Goldstein said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topic/show?id=502551%3ATopic%3A273589&page=2&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A288920&x=1#502551Comment288920"><div>I have used all the big boards out there and I think the fast food analogy is great and sums up my setiment about them. I would add that you tend to see the same people visiting the fast food joint often and they are usually at all 3 at any given time. I launched <a href="http://www.AccountingJobsToday.com">www.AccountingJobsToday.com</a> last year so as a niche site owner I can say that we have had great success so far and there is trully a need for specialized sites like ours. What sets us apart is that we have years of experience in traditional staffing for Accounting which I think gives us an edge. I for one believe the niche sites are the way to go and the big 3 are losing some luster.</div>
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</blockquote> Nice site!
Todd Goldstein sa…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2008-10-17:502551:Comment:2890312008-10-17T21:22:46.094ZKen Horsthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/KenHorst
Nice site!<br />
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<cite>Todd Goldstein said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topic/show?id=502551%3ATopic%3A273589&page=2&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A288920&x=1#502551Comment288920"><div>I have used all the big boards out there and I think the fast food analogy is great and sums up my setiment about them. I would add that you tend to see the same people visiting the fast food joint often and they are usually at all 3 at any given time. I launched…</div>
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Nice site!<br />
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<cite>Todd Goldstein said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topic/show?id=502551%3ATopic%3A273589&page=2&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A288920&x=1#502551Comment288920"><div>I have used all the big boards out there and I think the fast food analogy is great and sums up my setiment about them. I would add that you tend to see the same people visiting the fast food joint often and they are usually at all 3 at any given time. I launched <a href="http://www.AccountingJobsToday.com">www.AccountingJobsToday.com</a> last year so as a niche site owner I can say that we have had great success so far and there is trully a need for specialized sites like ours. What sets us apart is that we have years of experience in traditional staffing for Accounting which I think gives us an edge. I for one believe the niche sites are the way to go and the big 3 are losing some luster.</div>
</blockquote> To continue this dialogue ~ I…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2008-10-17:502551:Comment:2890052008-10-17T21:16:26.946ZSusan Kang Namhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/SusanKangNam
To continue this dialogue ~ I do agree with Todd -- When I met this professional at the summit, that was his point right on - to create a niche job board site for Boston so that he an his partner can generate leads from the site. I asked him few questions, i.e. why this now, how would this change in his perspective, what his budget was..etc. however he went on and mentioning about how expensive it was to put positions on some of these top big board sites. If this is the trend, then I think it…
To continue this dialogue ~ I do agree with Todd -- When I met this professional at the summit, that was his point right on - to create a niche job board site for Boston so that he an his partner can generate leads from the site. I asked him few questions, i.e. why this now, how would this change in his perspective, what his budget was..etc. however he went on and mentioning about how expensive it was to put positions on some of these top big board sites. If this is the trend, then I think it will be interesting what some of the corporate recruiters will do in the distant future. Of course.. this is just one case scenario, however I do hear from few others out there that many do not "post" their resumes anymore to some of these top big board sites. I may be a fan of one or two of these top sites, however I would rather go with niche sites or craigslists to generate leads. I have used all the big board…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2008-10-17:502551:Comment:2889202008-10-17T21:02:50.738ZTodd Goldsteinhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ToddGoldstein
I have used all the big boards out there and I think the fast food analogy is great and sums up my setiment about them. I would add that you tend to see the same people visiting the fast food joint often and they are usually at all 3 at any given time. I launched <a href="http://www.AccountingJobsToday.com">www.AccountingJobsToday.com</a> last year so as a niche site owner I can say that we have had great success so far and there is trully a need for specialized sites like ours. What sets us…
I have used all the big boards out there and I think the fast food analogy is great and sums up my setiment about them. I would add that you tend to see the same people visiting the fast food joint often and they are usually at all 3 at any given time. I launched <a href="http://www.AccountingJobsToday.com">www.AccountingJobsToday.com</a> last year so as a niche site owner I can say that we have had great success so far and there is trully a need for specialized sites like ours. What sets us apart is that we have years of experience in traditional staffing for Accounting which I think gives us an edge. I for one believe the niche sites are the way to go and the big 3 are losing some luster. I saw some recent statistic s…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2008-10-17:502551:Comment:2887372008-10-17T20:22:26.657ZKen Horsthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/KenHorst
I saw some recent statistic showing Indeed pulled ahead of Monster for page views, Unique visitors and time on site. We also just bumped into Careerjet, another free job board that is showing up well in Google job searches. It seems to me that with all the great free job boards, a company could really cut back or reallocate their job board budget and start trying something new/different. If we continue to do what we've always done, we will continue to get what we've always got!
I saw some recent statistic showing Indeed pulled ahead of Monster for page views, Unique visitors and time on site. We also just bumped into Careerjet, another free job board that is showing up well in Google job searches. It seems to me that with all the great free job boards, a company could really cut back or reallocate their job board budget and start trying something new/different. If we continue to do what we've always done, we will continue to get what we've always got!