a rant about corporate recruiters..............by a corporate recruiter - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-29T11:28:39Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/a-rant-about-corporate?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A1128017&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHow did I miss this great pos…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-01-26:502551:Comment:11280172011-01-26T15:03:31.228ZJerry Albrighthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JerryAlbright
<p>How did I miss this great post from 2009? It's fantastic. </p>
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<p>The sad thing is - I think I've inherited this particular client...........oh my..........</p>
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<p>How did I miss this great post from 2009? It's fantastic. </p>
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<p>The sad thing is - I think I've inherited this particular client...........oh my..........</p>
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<p> </p> I'd love a corp recruiter to…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-01-26:502551:Comment:11280142011-01-26T14:05:06.675ZSteven Marse CPC, CTS, CSP, TSChttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/StevenMarse
I'd love a corp recruiter to chime in on why do they harball gatekeep us from managers so we can do the right job? If they are afraid that the agency recruiter will "go around them", scrutinize your vendors more before you sign contracts. I have no qaulms on keeping HR/Recruiting in the loop and getting them involved but this process is not working. Like asking an engineering firm to build something with 2 lines drawn as a go by. Doesn't work.
I'd love a corp recruiter to chime in on why do they harball gatekeep us from managers so we can do the right job? If they are afraid that the agency recruiter will "go around them", scrutinize your vendors more before you sign contracts. I have no qaulms on keeping HR/Recruiting in the loop and getting them involved but this process is not working. Like asking an engineering firm to build something with 2 lines drawn as a go by. Doesn't work. I just wrote a rant about cor…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-01-25:502551:Comment:11275912011-01-25T16:39:11.480ZSteven Marse CPC, CTS, CSP, TSChttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/StevenMarse
<p>I just wrote a rant about corporate recruiters. Seems this model has taken hold of the market and I have been there with most of what you are saying. I don't really have much good to say about the experiences but would love to know how to positively work in that model. It has commodotized our business.</p>
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<p>And @ Lisa Williams.... I have worked for a small family owned company for 11 years, pretty large by that definition as it is a 60 mm year company doing contract and direct…</p>
<p>I just wrote a rant about corporate recruiters. Seems this model has taken hold of the market and I have been there with most of what you are saying. I don't really have much good to say about the experiences but would love to know how to positively work in that model. It has commodotized our business.</p>
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<p>And @ Lisa Williams.... I have worked for a small family owned company for 11 years, pretty large by that definition as it is a 60 mm year company doing contract and direct placement. I could not disagree with you more. I have the most honest, forthright, above board on integrity owner and co workers. I would put them ahead of any corporate recruiter that does nothing more than belittle what we do and waste our time.</p>
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<p>How do we make this model work in the external recruiting world? do we stay away from large organizations that hold this model tight? They are the ones hiring but, throwing resumes into an eternal black hole is doing nothing for our P&L.</p> Great Post! Very Funny! Some…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-10:502551:Comment:8172662009-12-10T01:35:03.891ZOrigin Forward Solutionshttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/OriginForwardSolutions
Great Post! Very Funny! Some Elements of truth in that, I think both sides can learn from each other.
Great Post! Very Funny! Some Elements of truth in that, I think both sides can learn from each other. Great Blog post! Haven't most…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-10:502551:Comment:8172562009-12-10T01:15:45.914ZBrenda Lehttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/BrendaLe
Great Blog post! Haven't most of us been in this situation before? This is what jades us as recruiters, I too have seen both sides and there really is no excuse for any of it. As Bill put it, all it takes is one or two experiences like this and you will refuse to work this way ever again....Thanks for the humorous insight to what we all think about at one time or another!
Great Blog post! Haven't most of us been in this situation before? This is what jades us as recruiters, I too have seen both sides and there really is no excuse for any of it. As Bill put it, all it takes is one or two experiences like this and you will refuse to work this way ever again....Thanks for the humorous insight to what we all think about at one time or another! Great post.. so true. All it…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-09:502551:Comment:8171162009-12-09T20:41:52.655ZBill Wardhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/BillWard92
Great post.. so true. All it takes is one or two experiences like this and you will refuse to work this way ever again. If the client isn't willing to have some skin the game, they're not serious. Think of this way, if you take the order and put up with their crap, they won't take you seriously either.
Great post.. so true. All it takes is one or two experiences like this and you will refuse to work this way ever again. If the client isn't willing to have some skin the game, they're not serious. Think of this way, if you take the order and put up with their crap, they won't take you seriously either. There are two sides to a stor…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-09:502551:Comment:8170612009-12-09T19:05:13.902ZStephanie McDonaldhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/StephanieMcDonald
There are two sides to a story..but the challenge is that for every corporate recruiter, there are 50-100 external agency recruiters asking for their time. It could be a full time job just meeting with them and managing the relationships. Every one of them says they can do the job, but in my experience there are very few that actually deliver on the tough searches. They are out there, and when I find them I don't let go!!<br />
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Good luck to both 'sides'. We all have a job to do.
There are two sides to a story..but the challenge is that for every corporate recruiter, there are 50-100 external agency recruiters asking for their time. It could be a full time job just meeting with them and managing the relationships. Every one of them says they can do the job, but in my experience there are very few that actually deliver on the tough searches. They are out there, and when I find them I don't let go!!<br />
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Good luck to both 'sides'. We all have a job to do. I've been a corporate and age…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-09:502551:Comment:8170122009-12-09T18:30:26.528ZLisa Williamshttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/LisaWilliams828
I've been a corporate and agency recruiter too and I think we are all the product of the environment we find ourselves in. Corporate recruiters (with some exceptions) work for fairly large, cut throat, impersonal and unfeeling organizations who consider most candidates as a bonded servant class who are just so damn lucky to get an interview with the company. The corporate recruiter simply passes along the culture she works in to everyone she works with. Keep in mind that corporate HR is a cost…
I've been a corporate and agency recruiter too and I think we are all the product of the environment we find ourselves in. Corporate recruiters (with some exceptions) work for fairly large, cut throat, impersonal and unfeeling organizations who consider most candidates as a bonded servant class who are just so damn lucky to get an interview with the company. The corporate recruiter simply passes along the culture she works in to everyone she works with. Keep in mind that corporate HR is a cost center that usually has very, very little real power and clout in the organization. And after all, it's despicable but common human nature to treat others but a select few people of your own choosing (significant other, best friend, maybe mother, hopefully children) poorly in an effort to make ourselves feel less miserable about our own environment; in which we have little input or decision making power, no opportunity for creativity and no one to tell who gives a crap that the company is shooting itself in the foot by treating candidates and most others quite terribly.<br />
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Agency recruiters work for and are taught by (for the most part) rigid, unscrupulous, capricious, unfeeling, small sole proprietors who resent every penny they pay their recruiters, since they could really do it all alone and much better if they weren't so very important and busy being CEO's of their little fiefdom. They teach us that the candidate is a piece of meat to sell to the highest bidder; that quantity and not quality is what makes a successful recruiter; that we should never leave our desks to meet with clients to assess the culture to make a smart fit for both parties; that candidates must come to our office for interviews to give us the upper hand in the eternal power struggle; that we must manipulate and at times lie (it's all about the spin, Virginia, and oh yeah, there is no Santa Claus) to the candidate/client to advance our agenda. Then they dick us around on our commission, job title, non-compete agreements and desk placement in an effort to keep us off balance and from getting too big for our britches since Top Producers are really just ticking time bombs who are planning to steal the clients from the business like the owner did when they started their own shop.<br />
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In the midst of all this negative energy there is the rare recruiter (I've met a few, would love to hear from any self identified "anti-recruiters") who thinks for themself and does not blindly follow, who is creative about doing the job compassionately and well within the restrictive environment of corporate and agency recruiting. This is the recruiter who seeks to help both hiring managers and candidates from place of giving service; who is mindful of the uncomfortable place of hope and fear (especially in this market) that candidates find themselves in; who seeks to make sure hiring managers look good and are able to advance their goals by hiring the right candidate, who meets every candidate and client they work with (because really, you cannot make an accurate assessment/match without looking people in the eye, shaking their hand and reading their body language as they answer your questions); and who knows that the art of bringing people together with the goal of advancing each party's agenda is an honorable one deserving of respect, creativity, much thought, great care and sensitivity. And the point is what?tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-09:502551:Comment:8169552009-12-09T17:22:24.846ZPeter Ceccarellihttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/PeterCeccarelli
And the point is what?
And the point is what? Very good. More than a grain…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-09:502551:Comment:8169482009-12-09T17:06:43.485ZDan Richardshttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/DanRichards
Very good. More than a grain of truth and very amusing. I have worked both sides too. Looks like the makings of a training session on what not to do for a new shiny corporate recruiter.
Very good. More than a grain of truth and very amusing. I have worked both sides too. Looks like the makings of a training session on what not to do for a new shiny corporate recruiter.