Agency recruiters - Need some advice - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-28T19:16:40Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/agency-recruiters-need-some-advice?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A1753138&feed=yes&xn_auth=noObviously this candidate had…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2013-10-18:502551:Comment:17598622013-10-18T17:30:25.434ZRaphael Fanghttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/RaphaelFang
<p>Obviously this candidate had no respect for you and our chosen profession. you have done more than enough to help her and she isn't grateful with you. Glad to know that nightmare is over.</p>
<p>Obviously this candidate had no respect for you and our chosen profession. you have done more than enough to help her and she isn't grateful with you. Glad to know that nightmare is over.</p> You all dodged a bullet on th…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2013-09-18:502551:Comment:17531382013-09-18T13:41:06.003ZLinda Ferrantehttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/LindaLoCicero
<p>You all dodged a bullet on this one! Quite honestly, though, when the conversation first started to raise a red flag for you, I would have dug further. There's a lot to be said for your gut feelings when it comes to recruiters and candidates. One thing we look for in candidates is the consistencies in behaviors. Even if they are rude, if that is consistent, then we have identified a behavioral trait. The problem here was inconsistencies. Paying attention to the flag, and discussing…</p>
<p>You all dodged a bullet on this one! Quite honestly, though, when the conversation first started to raise a red flag for you, I would have dug further. There's a lot to be said for your gut feelings when it comes to recruiters and candidates. One thing we look for in candidates is the consistencies in behaviors. Even if they are rude, if that is consistent, then we have identified a behavioral trait. The problem here was inconsistencies. Paying attention to the flag, and discussing your hesitations with the client would have been my next step. When you look out for your clients best interests, they will appreciate it and it will increase the value you add with your recruiting services. </p>
<p>As far as the games the candidate was playing with you and the company, I think that has to do with boundaries, in part. Somehow, she felt it was OK to talk to you like she did. I would have shut her down a little quicker. She felt she had the upper hand, and not a recruiter/candidate relationship. Had she understood the true nature of your relationship, she would have spoke with you differently.</p>
<p>There are a lot of 'next times' in your story, and that's a good thing! In this industry we are thrown a lot of curve balls and we don't always know how to handle them. I'm glad you were presented with a learning opportunity at this stage in the game! It keeps you on your toes and makes you a better recruiter. Good for you! I think I would wrap up the story with calling the candidate letting her know you are aware that she turned down the offer and that you won't be working with her again. There is no 'expectation of confidentiality' with either the candidate OR the client since you are the one representing the candidate TO the client. It violates NO HIPAA, employment, or any other sort of 'privacy' concerns. End the relationship with YOU in charge, not a sneaky candidate.</p>
<p>Good luck to you!! If there is ever a follow up, please post here!!</p> @evelyn I too, hope one day…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2013-09-17:502551:Comment:17528492013-09-17T17:31:13.475ZRoni Zapinhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/RoniZapin
<p>@evelyn I too, hope one day she matures enough to realize what happened her. I am still waiting to hear from her that she has accepted another position. I can take the high road (once again) and send her a note of congratulations, but I don't want to let her off the hook, but I don't want to write anything to stir up trouble either. She'll be back!!<br></br><br></br><cite>Evelyn Amaro said:…</cite></p>
<p>@evelyn I too, hope one day she matures enough to realize what happened her. I am still waiting to hear from her that she has accepted another position. I can take the high road (once again) and send her a note of congratulations, but I don't want to let her off the hook, but I don't want to write anything to stir up trouble either. She'll be back!!<br/><br/><cite>Evelyn Amaro said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/agency-recruiters-need-some-advice?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A1753015&xg_source=msg_com_forum#502551Comment1753015"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Wow! I think the Client dodged the bullet big time. Some candidates don't realize that there would be no reason to "low ball" them. In the end, a bigger salary for them means a bigger fee for the recruiter. They also don't realize all the time and dedication that goes into each placement. You went out of your way to help her, give advice and map out a plan of action. You did that because you are a true professional. This whole situation is very upsetting. I think you dodged the bullet as well. I hope one day she realizes what she has done wrong and apologizes to you.</p>
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</blockquote> Wow! I think the Client dodge…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2013-09-17:502551:Comment:17530152013-09-17T17:24:14.823ZEvelyn Amarohttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/EvelynAmaro
<p>Wow! I think the Client dodged the bullet big time. Some candidates don't realize that there would be no reason to "low ball" them. In the end, a bigger salary for them means a bigger fee for the recruiter. They also don't realize all the time and dedication that goes into each placement. You went out of your way to help her, give advice and map out a plan of action. You did that because you are a true professional. This whole situation is very upsetting. I think you dodged the bullet as…</p>
<p>Wow! I think the Client dodged the bullet big time. Some candidates don't realize that there would be no reason to "low ball" them. In the end, a bigger salary for them means a bigger fee for the recruiter. They also don't realize all the time and dedication that goes into each placement. You went out of your way to help her, give advice and map out a plan of action. You did that because you are a true professional. This whole situation is very upsetting. I think you dodged the bullet as well. I hope one day she realizes what she has done wrong and apologizes to you.</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/agency-recruiters-need-some-advice#502551Comment1752683"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>END OF THE STORY</p>
<p>Well, the candidate emailed my client to reject their offer in favor of the Associate Director position (big surprise, I expect to see her back on the boards in less than 3 months). Her reasons for declining, after letting them know once again that they were her first choice, included wanting to be an AD since she has been a Manager for quite some time (really?), and her stating that due to the reference duration issue that Roni thought could be a problem, she could not afford losing the AD position should this one not work out!! Had she listened to me at all, I was trying to tell her how to manage all of this!!! Better to blame me!</p>
<p>I wonder if she will ever tell me she turned it down. She ended her note by asking if she could keep in touch with them directly for the future (again, cutting me out of the loop). Unbelievable!!</p>
<p>The HR was kind enough to tell me that she replied that the references would have been a problem, that THEIR policy is to get at least 1 supervisor, and that the short tenure of all of them is an issue. She re-iterated that this is their standard procedure and they have never had a candidate have a problem in the past.</p>
<p>They believe they dodged a bullet! </p>
<p>Lesson here (for me), going forward, I will be more diligent than ever 1)understanding the client's process up front 2) explaining my process to the candidates and getting their signoff and references up front and 3) explaining the client's process to the candidate when I submit them for the job.</p>
<p>Recruiting 101, I am sure, but somehow, it all needs to be spelled out more clearly to candidates so there is no misunderstanding.</p>
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Well, the ca…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2013-09-16:502551:Comment:17526832013-09-16T20:44:46.409ZRoni Zapinhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/RoniZapin
<p>END OF THE STORY</p>
<p>Well, the candidate emailed my client to reject their offer in favor of the Associate Director position (big surprise, I expect to see her back on the boards in less than 3 months). Her reasons for declining, after letting them know once again that they were her first choice, included wanting to be an AD since she has been a Manager for quite some time (really?), and her stating that due to the reference duration issue that Roni thought could be a problem, she…</p>
<p>END OF THE STORY</p>
<p>Well, the candidate emailed my client to reject their offer in favor of the Associate Director position (big surprise, I expect to see her back on the boards in less than 3 months). Her reasons for declining, after letting them know once again that they were her first choice, included wanting to be an AD since she has been a Manager for quite some time (really?), and her stating that due to the reference duration issue that Roni thought could be a problem, she could not afford losing the AD position should this one not work out!! Had she listened to me at all, I was trying to tell her how to manage all of this!!! Better to blame me!</p>
<p>I wonder if she will ever tell me she turned it down. She ended her note by asking if she could keep in touch with them directly for the future (again, cutting me out of the loop). Unbelievable!!</p>
<p>The HR was kind enough to tell me that she replied that the references would have been a problem, that THEIR policy is to get at least 1 supervisor, and that the short tenure of all of them is an issue. She re-iterated that this is their standard procedure and they have never had a candidate have a problem in the past.</p>
<p>They believe they dodged a bullet! </p>
<p>Lesson here (for me), going forward, I will be more diligent than ever 1)understanding the client's process up front 2) explaining my process to the candidates and getting their signoff and references up front and 3) explaining the client's process to the candidate when I submit them for the job.</p>
<p>Recruiting 101, I am sure, but somehow, it all needs to be spelled out more clearly to candidates so there is no misunderstanding.</p> Postscript: I decided to sen…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2013-09-16:502551:Comment:17528192013-09-16T17:28:45.340ZRoni Zapinhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/RoniZapin
<p>Postscript: I decided to send my client the references I had done and I had a long, heart to heart, with them to explain the red flags. It's now up to them how to proceed.</p>
<p>Postscript: I decided to send my client the references I had done and I had a long, heart to heart, with them to explain the red flags. It's now up to them how to proceed.</p> Thanks Vinda. She wasn't com…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2013-09-16:502551:Comment:17528162013-09-16T17:25:07.447ZRoni Zapinhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/RoniZapin
<p>Thanks Vinda. She wasn't complaining about the salary, she was saying that I had nothing to do with the salary offered. Made it sound like I was trying to lowball her (when all I did was ask what she was looking for to accept). I took that number and got her a great offer and she believes I had nothing to do with the offer.</p>
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<p>Thanks Vinda. She wasn't complaining about the salary, she was saying that I had nothing to do with the salary offered. Made it sound like I was trying to lowball her (when all I did was ask what she was looking for to accept). I took that number and got her a great offer and she believes I had nothing to do with the offer.</p>
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<p> </p> Roni, this sounds like it goe…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2013-09-16:502551:Comment:17527702013-09-16T17:21:56.856ZVinda Raohttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/VindaRao723
<p>Roni, this sounds like it goes way beyond bad chemistry between a candidate and a recruiter. It looks like she was playing sweet when she thought she was desperate, and now that she realizes her skills are in demand she's got a bad case of ego tripping. What's more concerning is her lack of maturity (she didn't graduate this year...she should certainly know how to conduct herself professionally) and poor attitude. And she's complaining that the company offered her more money than expected??…</p>
<p>Roni, this sounds like it goes way beyond bad chemistry between a candidate and a recruiter. It looks like she was playing sweet when she thought she was desperate, and now that she realizes her skills are in demand she's got a bad case of ego tripping. What's more concerning is her lack of maturity (she didn't graduate this year...she should certainly know how to conduct herself professionally) and poor attitude. And she's complaining that the company offered her more money than expected?? I wouldn't want her on my team.</p>