Being Taken Advantage Of By Agency Owner - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-29T14:32:38Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/being-taken-advantage-of-by?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A724675&feed=yes&xn_auth=noyikes - it's an ugly time to…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-08-12:502551:Comment:7255912009-08-12T20:59:49.091ZSteve Levyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Dieselevy
yikes - it's <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/08/09/california.prison.riot/index.html" target="_blank">an ugly time to be in a California jail</a>...<br />
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<cite>Heather Bussing said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/being-taken-advantage-of-by?page=7&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A725582&x=1#502551Comment725582"><div>...I suggest you consult the statutes about practicing law without a license, which in California where you live, are located at Business…</div>
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yikes - it's <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/08/09/california.prison.riot/index.html" target="_blank">an ugly time to be in a California jail</a>...<br />
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<cite>Heather Bussing said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/being-taken-advantage-of-by?page=7&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A725582&x=1#502551Comment725582"><div>...I suggest you consult the statutes about practicing law without a license, which in California where you live, are located at Business and Professions Code <a href="http://law.justia.com/california/codes/bpc/6125-6140.05.html" target="_blank">section 6125 et seq.</a>. It is a crime punishable by jail time and fines.</div>
</blockquote> Lest we forget the words from…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-08-12:502551:Comment:7254792009-08-12T19:21:42.752ZSteve Levyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Dieselevy
<a href="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/ruse-calling-is-a-federal?page=2&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A556482&x=1#502551Comment556482" target="_blank">Lest we forget the words from one of the expert</a>, Charles "I Think" Yett...<br />
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Years later, it continues...<br />
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<cite>Heather Bussing said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/being-taken-advantage-of-by?id=502551%3ATopic%3A722912&page=7#502551Comment725456"><div>Things that make you go…</div>
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<a href="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/ruse-calling-is-a-federal?page=2&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A556482&x=1#502551Comment556482" target="_blank">Lest we forget the words from one of the expert</a>, Charles "I Think" Yett...<br />
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Years later, it continues...<br />
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<cite>Heather Bussing said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/being-taken-advantage-of-by?id=502551%3ATopic%3A722912&page=7#502551Comment725456"><div>Things that make you go hmmmmmm. Someone who emphatically insists that people should not take advice from the internet and then spends an inordinate amount of time giving it, repeating it, defending it, changing it and contradicting it.</div>
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Jerry Albrigh…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-08-12:502551:Comment:7253892009-08-12T16:39:30.769ZMsNitahttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MsNita
you slay me :)<br />
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<cite>Jerry Albright said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/being-taken-advantage-of-by?id=502551%3ATopic%3A722912&page=4#502551Comment724673"><div><p style="text-align: left;"><img alt="" height="100" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1442308689?profile=original" width="150"></img></p>
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Manatees are sometimes called sea cows, and their languid pace lends merit to the comparison. However, despite their massive bulk, they are graceful swimmers in coastal waters and rivers. Powering themselves with their strong…</div>
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Manatees are sometimes called sea cows, and their languid pace lends merit to the comparison. However, despite their massive bulk, they are graceful swimmers in coastal waters and rivers. Powering themselves with their strong tails, manatees typically glide along at 5 miles (8 kilometers) an hour but can swim 15 miles (24 kilometers) an hour in short bursts.<br/>
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Manatees are usually seen alone, in pairs, or in small groups of a half dozen or fewer animals. From above the water's surface, the animal's nose and nostrils are often the only thing visible. Manatees never leave the water but, like all marine mammals, they must breathe air at the surface. A resting manatee can remain submerged for up to 15 minutes, but while swimming, they must surface every three or four minutes.<br/>
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There are three species of manatee, distinguished primarily by where they live. One manatee population ranges along the North American east coast from Florida to Brazil. Other species inhabit the Amazon River and the west coast and rivers of Africa.<br/>
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Manatees are born underwater. Mothers must help their calves to the surface so that they can take their first breath, but the infants can typically swim on their own only an hour later.<br/>
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Manatee calves drink their mothers' milk, but adults are voracious grazers. They eat water grasses, weeds, and algae—and lots of them. A manatee can eat a tenth of its own massive weight in just 24 hours.<br/>
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Manatees are large, slow-moving animals that frequent coastal waters and rivers. These attributes make them vulnerable to hunters seeking their hides, oil, and bones. Manatee numbers declined throughout the last century, mostly because of hunting pressure. Today, manatees are endangered. Though protected by laws, they still face threats. The gentle beasts are often accidentally hit by motorboats in ever-more -crowded waters, and sometimes become entangled in fishing nets.</div>
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Perhaps you can get y…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-08-12:502551:Comment:7252922009-08-12T15:55:32.835ZJamie Schwartzhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JamieSchwartz
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Perhaps you can get your former boss to pay you commissions on candidates you sourced while there, but did not place, in exchange for an agreement that you will not work, for a period of 6 months, with any clients or candidates with whom you developed a relationship while employed by your former employer. At least this concession would give the former boss incentive to reconsider. Absent of that concession, I would never consider paying commissions to former employees on placements made…
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Perhaps you can get your former boss to pay you commissions on candidates you sourced while there, but did not place, in exchange for an agreement that you will not work, for a period of 6 months, with any clients or candidates with whom you developed a relationship while employed by your former employer. At least this concession would give the former boss incentive to reconsider. Absent of that concession, I would never consider paying commissions to former employees on placements made post-employment.<br />
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I wouldn't have promised to pay the commissions post-employment - verbally or otherwise, so at least I'm honest. And I know I am highly ethical, contrary to your opinion. My employees are made aware - in writing - of our commission policies, including if their employment terminates (voluntarily or otherwise). I see no unethical behavior...<br />
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I do have one interesting question that might change your perspective. When you discussed the idea of getting paid commissions on placements not completed, did you ask if that would be the case even if you decided to leave the company, but compete? Maybe if you discussed the various scenarios of what you post-employment situation would look like (i.e. leaving the legal search field, but staying in recruiting, leaving recruiting industry altogether, joining a competitor, starting my own firm and potentially hiring other employees of your firm, etc.), your boss would spent more time contemplating this issue...but then again, you may not have liked the answer.<br />
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In the end, I strongly advise that you don't look back; you're not going in the direction! Hope this helps and good luck!!<br />
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<cite>Casey said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/being-taken-advantage-of-by?id=502551%3ATopic%3A722912&page=2#502551Comment724282"><div>I'm sorry you condone this type of behavior on the part of recruiting company owners? I don't condone it. I think it is wrong to treat hardworking, long term, well liked and highly successful employees this way. unless an owner makes it worth someone's while, many recruiters go off after a while to open their own shops. there doesn't seem to be any reason to me for this unfair treatment, animosity and greed. My boss opened her own shop, she should have understood and have been supportive so we could have both continued to benefit from the relationship. She reneged on an agreement. Yes I wanted to be paid on placements that were close to closing and but for me would not have existed. Why would that be unusual?<br/><br/>Casey<br/><br/><br/><br/><cite>Thomas Patrick Chuna said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/being-taken-advantage-of-by?page=2&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A724061&x=1#502551Comment724135"><div>casey - let me get this straight.. you announce your intention to leave the company to go start your own show, and THEN you start making demands about what the company you are leaving must do regarding commissions for placements that hadn't closed yet, AND you expected to get paid by the company you no longer worked for when the deals closed?<br/><br/>No offense, but you have some interesting expectations.. With no written agreement, the owner just patted you on the head and sent you on your way. Not that anyone would ever sign an agreement like that in the first place - Why on earth would anyone do any favors for someone who will hurt them financially in the near term by leaving, and in the long term by competing?<br/><br/>Maybe she was your friend and you trusted her, but you have to be realistic - the concept of fairness isn't even found in the bible, much less practiced by emotional humans faced with losing their moneymaker.<br/><br/>best thing is to orient yourself to winning, and beating your former employer in the marketplace.</div>
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I was prepared…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-08-12:502551:Comment:7249462009-08-12T13:13:12.172ZJerry Albrighthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JerryAlbright
Morning all.<br />
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I was prepared to sit on the sidelines today - you know - actually work (it is Wednesday after all) but I had to point something out. Another example of "quote mining" if you will.<br />
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It was a "dagger" in Karen's back Sandra - not a "knife" as you now alledge she said.<br />
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Have a great day all you wonderful people!
Morning all.<br />
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I was prepared to sit on the sidelines today - you know - actually work (it is Wednesday after all) but I had to point something out. Another example of "quote mining" if you will.<br />
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It was a "dagger" in Karen's back Sandra - not a "knife" as you now alledge she said.<br />
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Have a great day all you wonderful people! I'm beginning to think these…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-08-12:502551:Comment:7248072009-08-12T03:40:38.136ZJoshua Letourneauhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JoshuaLetourneau
I'm beginning to think these throwdowns are staged :) And if they're not, I'd pay to see a Karen versus Sandra throwdown in Toronto.<br />
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Despite an appearance by the incomparable Gerry Crispin (the smartest, most insightful, and difference-making person in our entire space), Karen vs. Sandra would easily be the main attraction.<br />
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I'm calling Don King to see if he can set it up right now. I'm willing to bet the pre-fight conference would wind up on a new list of "…
I'm beginning to think these throwdowns are staged :) And if they're not, I'd pay to see a Karen versus Sandra throwdown in Toronto.<br />
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Despite an appearance by the incomparable Gerry Crispin (the smartest, most insightful, and difference-making person in our entire space), Karen vs. Sandra would easily be the main attraction.<br />
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I'm calling Don King to see if he can set it up right now. I'm willing to bet the pre-fight conference would wind up on a new list of "<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRBfZna8QlA" target="_blank">The Top 10 Boxing Press Conference Brawls</a>" :)<br />
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Now if I may, I'd like to return to square-dancing tonight :) Cool.
So it looks like Karen…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-08-12:502551:Comment:7247442009-08-12T00:27:21.502ZJerry Albrighthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JerryAlbright
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Cool.<br />
So it looks like Karen and Sandra are looking into the feasability of burying the hatchet in Toronto. Might I be the first to say, ladies "BRAVO". See this is what social media's all about. Getting into the ring with your ideas and no matter who says what - at the end of the day - raising a glass in celebration of the striking similarites between us all.<br />
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Gold stars all around. Hear…
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Cool.<br />
So it looks like Karen and Sandra are looking into the feasability of burying the hatchet in Toronto. Might I be the first to say, ladies "BRAVO". See this is what social media's all about. Getting into the ring with your ideas and no matter who says what - at the end of the day - raising a glass in celebration of the striking similarites between us all.<br />
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Gold stars all around. Hear hear! I'll leave you in the Undecid…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-08-11:502551:Comment:7247112009-08-11T23:03:15.254ZJerry Albrighthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JerryAlbright
I'll leave you in the Undecided group then for now. Thanks for considering it. Hopefully we'll see you there. (If I'm reading you right.)<br />
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<cite>Sandra McCartt said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/being-taken-advantage-of-by?page=5&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A724685&x=1#502551Comment724689"><div>Should i say, thank you Jerry but no thank you. You go party with Karen, my dance card is full.</div>
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I'll leave you in the Undecided group then for now. Thanks for considering it. Hopefully we'll see you there. (If I'm reading you right.)<br />
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<cite>Sandra McCartt said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/being-taken-advantage-of-by?page=5&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A724685&x=1#502551Comment724689"><div>Should i say, thank you Jerry but no thank you. You go party with Karen, my dance card is full.</div>
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I would like to personally invite both Sandra and Karen to <a href="http://www.recruitfest.com">www.recruitfest.com</a> because it would be virtually impossible to leave Toronto anything other than future lifelong friends.<br />
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What do you say ladies? Let's party!
I would like to personally invite both Sandra and Karen to <a href="http://www.recruitfest.com">www.recruitfest.com</a> because it would be virtually impossible to leave Toronto anything other than future lifelong friends.<br />
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What do you say ladies? Let's party! I should add though - my CLOS…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-08-11:502551:Comment:7246832009-08-11T22:10:21.114ZJerry Albrighthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JerryAlbright
I should add though - my CLOSED post was only contributed as an individual. I was not speaking with any jurisdiction or official authority for the RBC team. They may like these occassional pseudo-legal disagreements. I can go either way.............<br />
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<cite>KarenM said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/being-taken-advantage-of-by?page=5&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A724679&x=1#502551Comment724681"><div>sorry, posted before I saw that..<br></br><br></br>Loved…</div>
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I should add though - my CLOSED post was only contributed as an individual. I was not speaking with any jurisdiction or official authority for the RBC team. They may like these occassional pseudo-legal disagreements. I can go either way.............<br />
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<cite>KarenM said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/being-taken-advantage-of-by?page=5&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A724679&x=1#502551Comment724681"><div>sorry, posted before I saw that..<br/><br/>Loved the manatee post, as well as the Lassie as well...<br/><br/>Thanks for the change of conversation.. hopefully we can move on..<br/><br/>:)<br/><br/><cite>Jerry Albright said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/being-taken-advantage-of-by?id=502551%3ATopic%3A722912&page=5#502551Comment724678"><div><p style="TEXT-ALIGN: left"><img height="110" alt="" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1442308532?profile=original" width="140"/></p>
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