Generational Con Man - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-29T06:25:08Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/generational-con-man?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A640719&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWhat a great conversation.
W…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-05-15:502551:Comment:6464282009-05-15T22:38:46.201ZMark Listonhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MarkListon
What a great conversation.<br />
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We just got back from a cruise and I couldn't get on line or even check e-mails. It was probably good.<br />
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Sandra, you described our world so well. Good calculation. I was a freshman in 1969 but worked at an outdoor theater when I got my drivers license and watch Woodstock every night.<br />
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So many of us, like me, had kids so very young and we were still growing up ourselves and didn't do a good job of getting them ready for life.<br />
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I ran my first office as a General Finance…
What a great conversation.<br />
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We just got back from a cruise and I couldn't get on line or even check e-mails. It was probably good.<br />
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Sandra, you described our world so well. Good calculation. I was a freshman in 1969 but worked at an outdoor theater when I got my drivers license and watch Woodstock every night.<br />
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So many of us, like me, had kids so very young and we were still growing up ourselves and didn't do a good job of getting them ready for life.<br />
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I ran my first office as a General Finance Manager before I was 21. Everyone generalized "young people" as irresponsible, not very credit worthy, etc. Being that generation I took exception to it. Jen, so much like you having to take the rap and people thinking that EVERYONE is the same - based on their generation. Not fair. Absolutely not fair.<br />
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My dad died of a heart attack when I was in 8th grade and my only sibling was 18 years older than me. Got married at 18 and never finished college. So I was a kid raising babies. Life was/is hard.<br />
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Some of my best friends has been laid off in the past 6 months. Others fear for their lives with their current positions. Jen you are absolutely on target. And that has been my point.<br />
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Boomers just need to remember their/our pasts. We owe Gen Y to give them advice based on our experiences. They, of course, don't need to heed it. But if we don't share it . . . shame on us.<br />
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Seems to me people like Sandra are priceless. They share. They care. They offer advice without it sounding like preaching.<br />
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<cite>See_Jane_Recruit said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/generational-con-man?page=3&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A646034&x=1#502551Comment646034"><div>Tied to my current location. My boyfriend and I just signed a lease for 13 months. He has 9 years seniority in his union and loves what he does. Not to mention most of my family is in the area, including my aging Grandmother who I owe my life too.<br/><br/><cite>Sandra McCartt said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/generational-con-man?page=3&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A642819&x=1#502551Comment643106"><div>Jen,<br/>Can you relocate or are you tied to your current location?</div>
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</blockquote> Tied to my current location.…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-05-15:502551:Comment:6460342009-05-15T16:24:38.855ZSee_Jane_Recruithttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/See_Jane_Recruit
Tied to my current location. My boyfriend and I just signed a lease for 13 months. He has 9 years seniority in his union and loves what he does. Not to mention most of my family is in the area, including my aging Grandmother who I owe my life too.<br />
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<cite>Sandra McCartt said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/generational-con-man?page=3&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A642819&x=1#502551Comment643106"><div>Jen,<br></br>Can you relocate or are you tied to your…</div>
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Tied to my current location. My boyfriend and I just signed a lease for 13 months. He has 9 years seniority in his union and loves what he does. Not to mention most of my family is in the area, including my aging Grandmother who I owe my life too.<br />
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<cite>Sandra McCartt said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/generational-con-man?page=3&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A642819&x=1#502551Comment643106"><div>Jen,<br/>Can you relocate or are you tied to your current location?</div>
</blockquote> Thanks Sandra. I just had to…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-05-12:502551:Comment:6428192009-05-12T16:53:00.741ZSee_Jane_Recruithttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/See_Jane_Recruit
Thanks Sandra. I just had to comment on the comment you made about how my generation was taught that all we had to do was get a good education and the world would be our oyster. Boy did I learn what a load of crap that is in the toughest way possible. My father started prepping me for college when I was the ripe age of 10. Yes 10. I clearly remember him telling me I had to get good grades in school then so I could get into a good college and from their grab a great career and be on my way to a…
Thanks Sandra. I just had to comment on the comment you made about how my generation was taught that all we had to do was get a good education and the world would be our oyster. Boy did I learn what a load of crap that is in the toughest way possible. My father started prepping me for college when I was the ripe age of 10. Yes 10. I clearly remember him telling me I had to get good grades in school then so I could get into a good college and from their grab a great career and be on my way to a bright future! So that's what I did. I was in honors and advanced placement classes through high school. I got into a good college, double majored in English Literature and English Writing, graduated with a high GPA, even studies Shakespeare and Seventeenth Century Literature at Oxford University through a study abroad program. I thought I did everything right. Then I got out into the real world.<br />
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The real world is a savage beast. I remember applying and interviewing for jobs. To my surprise, less than half of the companies I replied to called me back about a job. The interviews I did have mostly resulted in a: "Thank you for your application. Unfortunately at this time we do not feel you have the experience required for this position. Go suck an egg." That's for those companies that ever even bothered to send me a rejection letter. All I wanted was a job copy editing for a newspaper. I double majored in English! I studied at Oxford! What the hell was happening? The ever haunting post-graduate Catch-22 of requiring experience that you'll never get until someone gives you a chance and hires you for a job was kicking the life out of me. I eventually took a low paying Project Management role (actually started as a personal assistant to the owner of a small sign and lighting maintenance company--went through all that education to NOT become someone's secretary and there I was, filing, copying, and doing data entry) where the management preyed on young women with little education or options and had them working their fingers to the bone for $13/hr. Hell, I could have saved myself the $25k in student loan debt and gotten that job. It was a whirlwind from there. I did everything I could to pull myself up by the boot straps. I made some bad career decisions, then some stupid life decisions and here I am 5 years later trying like hell to make a career for myself.<br />
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Luckily for me, I receive fantastic advice and support from my grandmother. She's in her seventies now. She left her abusive, alcoholic husband when my dad was only 8 and worked a full-time job and kicked her own arse to provide for herself and her son. Grandma Val had the support of her late mother, my Nanny, who pulled herself up by her bootsraps when her husband tragically died while she still had young children and she went on to be a cook in some of Philadelphia's premiere restaraunts. I am proud of my legacy and grateful for the lessons of the generations before me. I have been lucky to have those two strong women in my life. I spent many wonderful weekends in their beautiful home in a quiet suburban neighborhood. They taught me how to garden, how to cook, how to appreciate what you have, how to save money, how to treat people with respect, and how to work hard and be the best person you can be. I learned that life is what you make of it.<br />
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I could feel sorry for myself and my generation for the hardships we have to endure but I don't. Upon close inspection I've come to realize that everyone throughout time has to fight battles and so will I. I'll win some, I'll lose some. I'll probably lose more than I'll win. However, at the end of the day, no matter what my social status is, no matter where I am in my career, I am happy with myself because I know the true value of life. I can seed a garden, I can make a beautiful Sunday dinner, I listen to my son and enjoy my time with him, I got to study at Oxford, I know some poetry by heart, I appreciate what I have, and I never give up.<br />
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So you see, in life, throughout the generations, there are sniveling brats with a sense of self-entitlement and there are those who want nothing more than to make their way themselves, who don't expect handouts and just want a chance. Somehow very few people saw that desire in me or maybe just didn't care. Interviews are not the best forum to really understand what a person is made of. In any case, the world keeps spinning. There will always be companies looking to exploit people like me who are looking for an opportunity but those companies won't go far. Their turn-over is high, their training is crap, they have outdated systems of metrics, and they don't really care about anyone's career. They just want someone to make them money now. Kind of like how banks and credit companies used to hand out sub-prime loans like Halloween candy. They looked great on paper 10 years ago. Now look where they are...<br />
<cite>Sandra McCartt said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/generational-con-man?id=502551%3ATopic%3A639436&page=3#502551Comment642278"><div>Thanks Jen,<br/>Good thoughts, i thought your response about Woodstock was funny and you were being your cute , kick ass self. So was not being patronizing. A tongue in cheek response if you will.<br/><br/>I know you are working your tail off and fighting something that you can't do anything about at this point because you are in this game at the worst possible time any young recruiter could ever try and break into it.<br/><br/>We so tend to lump everyone in the basket of generational identification. I do know a lot of GenXY who have come to the party as you have. Just as we did when we were young and thought we could change the world. I don't think we have to be self-deprecating because i think that is also self serving to play that game in order to convince your generation to take a job that none of our own generation would take.<br/><br/>I was your age when the original Woodstock took place in 1969. According to my calcs Mark would have been in about the 8th grade of maybe the 9th so he probably didn't make it to Woodstock. I wasn't going to go do drugs in the dirt then either because i thought it was trashy then and i think it's trashy now. And like yourself, i had kids to take care of , school and a job. It's always easy to blame parents and we deserve some of that just as ours did for convincing us that it was failure if we did something horrible like get a divorce for any reason or not stay on a job for 25 years until we got the gold watch. We were however perhaps a little more equipped to handle failure because anything that happened to us was our fault no matter what it was. As a result of that attitude of "anything that happens to you that's bad is your fault". We reversed it and wanted our kids to grow up without the feeling that everything was their fault and the pendulum went too far the other direction. Then we dumped you out on the street with no survival skills because we tried to make life easier for you. Now we bitch because of the sense of entitlement and the shock of reality has thrown your generation into a tailspin. They are scared and pissed off and don't understand why all the stuff they were told is not working.<br/>We convinced you that all you had to do was get an education and the world would be your oyster. We forgot to give you the chance to fall down and get up by yourself when it was the little things, now we expect you to jump out there and be worldly wise, self reliant and as savvy as those of us with battle scars.<br/><br/>That's why we need to be supportive and informative not self deprecating and manipulative to get you into situations where we set you up for failure then blame you for reacting to the message that we sent you . Your generation is taking it on the chin when it really counts. And you are correct ,entitlement is a learned behavior. Some of the most "i am entitled "people i work with are baby boomers who were nasty hippies then, are aging whining hippies now. They dropped out, turned on, protested and are still doing it. Their drug of choice was booze and it still is. Those little bottles on airplanes ya know........</div>
</blockquote> Faburous insight.
Sales is a…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-05-11:502551:Comment:6422452009-05-11T21:00:31.517ZMark Listonhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MarkListon
Faburous insight.<br />
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Sales is an ugly game - but it is the best game. It rewards for those who can - and punishes the crap of those who can't / won't / shouldn't, etc. Wish it is easier. Kind of like being professional athlete.<br />
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Great folks in this arena have already played this game and know how to win. Learn from them. Their books . . their blogs . . their insights . . . their passion teach all of us who want to/will achieve.<br />
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<cite>See_Jane_Recruit said:…</cite>
Faburous insight.<br />
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Sales is an ugly game - but it is the best game. It rewards for those who can - and punishes the crap of those who can't / won't / shouldn't, etc. Wish it is easier. Kind of like being professional athlete.<br />
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Great folks in this arena have already played this game and know how to win. Learn from them. Their books . . their blogs . . their insights . . . their passion teach all of us who want to/will achieve.<br />
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<cite>See_Jane_Recruit said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/generational-con-man?page=3&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A642149&x=1#502551Comment642149"><div>FYI...I replied because I didn't have anything better to do and this was the most interesting discussion on the board. I was also amused at the idea of the battle I knew would ensue. Also, what Sandra said.<br/><br/>Actually, I am interested in this conversation because it involves me as much as it involves the "Depends" crowd. I am of the Gen Y generation. Yes, our parents (YOUR generation) made some boo-boos (and STILL won't admit it) and like every generation, we try to learn from the generations that came before us. Yes, a lot of us inherited a sense of entitlement but it's a learned behavior. I understand the Kent State and Woodstock references and didn't go to the Woodstock of the last decade because I don't like live music and no one has ever bought me a $300 tent and I couldn't afford to take off of work/school for 3 days to go do drugs in the dirt even if I wanted to. Marky Mark sucks--period.<br/><br/>Thanks for doing the dirty work. Racism still exists. Don't believe me? Ask my 20-year-old half brother who is half white and half black and who gets pulled out of the car and searched everytime he gets pulled over, even when it's just for a tag light being out or because he "looked suspicious" (i.e. looks like a 20 year old black male) to the police officer.<br/><br/>The Beatles are still amazing. "Maybe I'm Amazed" is the ringtone on my phone for my boyfriend. Vinyl is still the best sound quality according to any sound technician out there.<br/><br/>Yes I wanted $40k/yr out the gate from college but got $28k and it's been a long, tiresome, uphill battle for survival. Especially considering I've been laid-off twice in the past five years (once due to company relo, once due to $$$) and am now looking down the barrel of a lay-off gun again only 5 years into my career. Sales is an ugly game.<br/><br/>MY point is every generation has their faults and triumphs. My generation has a lot left to prove. If we're smart we'll listen to what you all have to say and take it with a grain of salt and also realize that if you want to be good, you have to dig deeper than the info in the crappy, out-of-date textbooks supplied by HR. We'll also learn to leave blame behind because it just doesn't help anyone.</div>
</blockquote> FYI...I replied because I did…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-05-11:502551:Comment:6421492009-05-11T20:07:09.000ZSee_Jane_Recruithttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/See_Jane_Recruit
FYI...I replied because I didn't have anything better to do and this was the most interesting discussion on the board. I was also amused at the idea of the battle I knew would ensue. Also, what Sandra said.<br />
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Actually, I am interested in this conversation because it involves me as much as it involves the "Depends" crowd. I am of the Gen Y generation. Yes, our parents (YOUR generation) made some boo-boos (and STILL won't admit it) and like every generation, we try to learn from the generations…
FYI...I replied because I didn't have anything better to do and this was the most interesting discussion on the board. I was also amused at the idea of the battle I knew would ensue. Also, what Sandra said.<br />
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Actually, I am interested in this conversation because it involves me as much as it involves the "Depends" crowd. I am of the Gen Y generation. Yes, our parents (YOUR generation) made some boo-boos (and STILL won't admit it) and like every generation, we try to learn from the generations that came before us. Yes, a lot of us inherited a sense of entitlement but it's a learned behavior. I understand the Kent State and Woodstock references and didn't go to the Woodstock of the last decade because I don't like live music and no one has ever bought me a $300 tent and I couldn't afford to take off of work/school for 3 days to go do drugs in the dirt even if I wanted to. Marky Mark sucks--period.<br />
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Thanks for doing the dirty work. Racism still exists. Don't believe me? Ask my 20-year-old half brother who is half white and half black and who gets pulled out of the car and searched everytime he gets pulled over, even when it's just for a tag light being out or because he "looked suspicious" (i.e. looks like a 20 year old black male) to the police officer.<br />
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The Beatles are still amazing. "Maybe I'm Amazed" is the ringtone on my phone for my boyfriend. Vinyl is still the best sound quality according to any sound technician out there.<br />
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Yes I wanted $40k/yr out the gate from college but got $28k and it's been a long, tiresome, uphill battle for survival. Especially considering I've been laid-off twice in the past five years (once due to company relo, once due to $$$) and am now looking down the barrel of a lay-off gun again only 5 years into my career. Sales is an ugly game.<br />
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MY point is every generation has their faults and triumphs. My generation has a lot left to prove. If we're smart we'll listen to what you all have to say and take it with a grain of salt and also realize that if you want to be good, you have to dig deeper than the info in the crappy, out-of-date textbooks supplied by HR. We'll also learn to leave blame behind because it just doesn't help anyone. Hopefully the Boomer generation will give us the respect of not really thinking we think that we're soooo much better and smarter and at the same time dumber than you that we need you to be self-deprecating to learn any lessons and if anyone bites the bait--best of luck. Life has a way of thinning out the heard anyway. But is there a pic of you in…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-05-11:502551:Comment:6421332009-05-11T19:49:53.084ZSteve Levyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Dieselevy
But is there a pic of you in your Calvin's?<br />
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Neil forgot lots of things - I wonder why?<br />
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You started early; quite a few didn't; guess they're to blame.<br />
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It's not that we don't freakin' care, it's that we've had so much hit us - from the Cuban missile crisis to the Civil Rights movement to Vietnam to Watergate to no-more-Red-devil to Iraq to BJs in the Whitehouse to 9/11 to Iraq - and we did it with without Twitter or Facebook...<br />
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But is there a pic of you in your Calvin's?<br />
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Neil forgot lots of things - I wonder why?<br />
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You started early; quite a few didn't; guess they're to blame.<br />
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It's not that we don't freakin' care, it's that we've had so much hit us - from the Cuban missile crisis to the Civil Rights movement to Vietnam to Watergate to no-more-Red-devil to Iraq to BJs in the Whitehouse to 9/11 to Iraq - and we did it with without Twitter or Facebook...<br />
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<cite>Mark Liston said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/generational-con-man?page=3&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A642114&x=1#502551Comment642114"><div>Steve,<br/> <br/>
I like Marky Mark. He did just fine. I admit that I am out of touch with some of this stuff. Saw Neil Young at the St. Pete Times about 4 years ago. I only knew 2 Neil Young songs, and one was the "4 dead in Ohio". He forgot to sing it. (Forgot the song he sang that I knew)<br/>
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It is so easy for me to say that "I didn't screw up as a parent" as my baby turn 32 this year. So, NO GEN Y's FOR ME!<br/>
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What I like what you said, Steve, is the harsh reality of harsh reality. As Boomers we understand this is a way of life. No biggie. Here is your next challenge. So what. We don't freakin' care - we'll handle it!<br/>
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I like Marky Mark. He…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-05-11:502551:Comment:6421142009-05-11T19:07:09.091ZMark Listonhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MarkListon
Steve,<br />
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I like Marky Mark. He did just fine. I admit that I am out of touch with some of this stuff. Saw Neil Young at the St. Pete Times about 4 years ago. I only knew 2 Neil Young songs, and one was the "4 dead in Ohio". He forgot to sing it. (Forgot the song he sang that I knew)<br />
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It is so easy for me to say that "I didn't screw up as a parent" as my baby turn 32 this year. So, NO GEN Y's FOR ME!<br />
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What I like what you said, Steve, is the harsh reality of harsh reality. As Boomers we…
Steve,<br />
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I like Marky Mark. He did just fine. I admit that I am out of touch with some of this stuff. Saw Neil Young at the St. Pete Times about 4 years ago. I only knew 2 Neil Young songs, and one was the "4 dead in Ohio". He forgot to sing it. (Forgot the song he sang that I knew)<br />
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It is so easy for me to say that "I didn't screw up as a parent" as my baby turn 32 this year. So, NO GEN Y's FOR ME!<br />
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What I like what you said, Steve, is the harsh reality of harsh reality. As Boomers we understand this is a way of life. No biggie. Here is your next challenge. So what. We don't freakin' care - we'll handle it!<br />
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<cite>Steve Levy said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/generational-con-man?x=1&id=502551%3ATopic%3A639436&page=2#502551Comment641783"><div>Seems as if a large part of this discussion has been sponsored by <a href="http://www.us.depend.com/">Depends</a> and <a href="http://ensure.com/">Ensure shakes</a> - I'd even suggest <a href="http://www.viagra.com">Viagra</a> but since <a href="http://amfix.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/07/erectile-dysfunction-ads-too-hot-for-tv/">some want the FCC to ban</a> these harassing horn-dog harangues I won't bring it up. I have no idea why Jenn has jumped in on this discussion unless her company's numbers of older workers in the organization has raised the eyebrows of the local crack EEO unit and she wants to see how members of a protected class think.<br/><br/>Catering to Gen X/Y/Z-it's-easy-as-1-2-3 is admitting that their baby boomer parents (uh, that would be us) failed miserably as child rearing. We told them we ducked bullets at Kent State...<br/><div><embed src="http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/x1i1hv" width="420" height="339" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="never"></embed>
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....and they made faces; Marky-Mark (it's what he should be calling himself - instead of Mark holder of an AARP card - because it's cooler) appeases the Gen Why-Shouldn't-I-Have-What-I-Want masses and receives comments such as <i>Glad to hear someone who is (almost) on our side and can see things the way that we see them.</i><br/><br/>Waaaaaaaah you freaking whine babies, it's no wonder you're so sullen and lost - your parents screwed up! They didn't do their jobs! Don't blame an entire generation's malcontent on you parent's failure to explain things in detail; mine did. Bet some of you are <i>still waiting</i> for the birds and bees talk from Mummy and Daddy.<br/><br/>Yes, we had the race riots - thank us for doing the dirty work. We went to Woodstock; you listened to our old vinyl and decided that a new Woodstock was cool so you attended, made fake mud bathes, showed the world a generation of thongs and tramp stamps, and screwed each other in $300 North Face tents. Hey, I even have my tattoos but I don't get bent out of shape when someone makes a comment about them (but no tramp stamps on the small of my back); I recognize that work is comprised of many ages, value, and beliefs and like it or not, not everyone agrees with me.<br/><br/>The real issue here is recruiting's failure to teach - career services departments still rely on crappy out-of-touch books, hiring manager still rely on "recruiting knowledge" that is outdated and biased, and human resources has not, on a whole, done even an adequate job of leading recruiting.<br/><br/>Heather, you mean to tell me you have two ten year olds at home??? roflmao</div>
</blockquote> I wonder who paid for those $…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-05-11:502551:Comment:6417932009-05-11T15:15:59.932ZMaureen Sharibhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MaureenSharib
I wonder who paid for those $300 tents.
I wonder who paid for those $300 tents. Seems as if a large part of t…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-05-11:502551:Comment:6417832009-05-11T15:08:54.648ZSteve Levyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Dieselevy
Seems as if a large part of this discussion has been sponsored by <a href="http://www.us.depend.com/">Depends</a> and <a href="http://ensure.com/">Ensure shakes</a> - I'd even suggest <a href="http://www.viagra.com">Viagra</a> but since <a href="http://amfix.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/07/erectile-dysfunction-ads-too-hot-for-tv/">some want the FCC to ban</a> these harassing horn-dog harangues I won't bring it up. I have no idea why Jenn has jumped in on this discussion unless her company's numbers of…
Seems as if a large part of this discussion has been sponsored by <a href="http://www.us.depend.com/">Depends</a> and <a href="http://ensure.com/">Ensure shakes</a> - I'd even suggest <a href="http://www.viagra.com">Viagra</a> but since <a href="http://amfix.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/07/erectile-dysfunction-ads-too-hot-for-tv/">some want the FCC to ban</a> these harassing horn-dog harangues I won't bring it up. I have no idea why Jenn has jumped in on this discussion unless her company's numbers of older workers in the organization has raised the eyebrows of the local crack EEO unit and she wants to see how members of a protected class think.<br />
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Catering to Gen X/Y/Z-it's-easy-as-1-2-3 is admitting that their baby boomer parents (uh, that would be us) failed miserably as child rearing. We told them we ducked bullets at Kent State...<br />
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....and they made faces; Marky-Mark (it's what he should be calling himself - instead of Mark holder of an AARP card - because it's cooler) appeases the Gen Why-Shouldn't-I-Have-What-I-Want masses and receives comments such as <i>Glad to hear someone who is (almost) on our side and can see things the way that we see them.</i><br />
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Waaaaaaaah you freaking whine babies, it's no wonder you're so sullen and lost - your parents screwed up! They didn't do their jobs! Don't blame an entire generation's malcontent on you parent's failure to explain things in detail; mine did. Bet some of you are <i>still waiting</i> for the birds and bees talk from Mummy and Daddy.<br />
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Yes, we had the race riots - thank us for doing the dirty work. We went to Woodstock; you listened to our old vinyl and decided that a new Woodstock was cool so you attended, made fake mud bathes, showed the world a generation of thongs and tramp stamps, and screwed each other in $300 North Face tents. Hey, I even have my tattoos but I don't get bent out of shape when someone makes a comment about them (but no tramp stamps on the small of my back); I recognize that work is comprised of many ages, value, and beliefs and like it or not, not everyone agrees with me.<br />
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The real issue here is recruiting's failure to teach - career services departments still rely on crappy out-of-touch books, hiring manager still rely on "recruiting knowledge" that is outdated and biased, and human resources has not, on a whole, done even an adequate job of leading recruiting.<br />
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Heather, you mean to tell me you have two ten year olds at home??? roflmao Hey now! I resent that. I am…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-05-11:502551:Comment:6416682009-05-11T13:15:42.857ZSee_Jane_Recruithttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/See_Jane_Recruit
Hey now! I resent that. I am 27 years old and I know that Kent State is a campus of sorts and Woodstock is the little cartoon birdie from Charlie Brown. Thank you very much.<br />
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<cite>Sandra McCartt said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/generational-con-man?id=502551%3ATopic%3A639436&page=2#502551Comment641286"><div>Now you remind me of my ex. He snuck so many of those little bottles he ended up in rehab.<br></br><br></br>You might consider a recruiting contract…</div>
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Hey now! I resent that. I am 27 years old and I know that Kent State is a campus of sorts and Woodstock is the little cartoon birdie from Charlie Brown. Thank you very much.<br />
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<cite>Sandra McCartt said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/generational-con-man?id=502551%3ATopic%3A639436&page=2#502551Comment641286"><div>Now you remind me of my ex. He snuck so many of those little bottles he ended up in rehab.<br/><br/>You might consider a recruiting contract for your franchisees with some recruiters who get the younger group that were not picked up on campus. Or the junior college level in local areas. I notice you have openings in almost all major cities in the US. Normally means your franchisees have a high turnover rate. There are some good recruiters here who are capable of contracting with you nationally to not only find the kind of candidate you need, not only to complete the hire but to work with your franchisees to build retention programs.<br/><br/>The gen x/y don't think direct market mailers advertising sales is sexy enough for them for very long so you could be going after a crowd that will use you to get a sales job on the resume then jump ship . Those 20 year experience guys may start to look pretty good. You really are in a catch 22. Franchisees struggling so can't afford top sales reps when they need them the most.<br/><br/>Consider a recruiting contract with Recruiting Animal he could solve your problem and you never have talk about Kent State or Woodstock to abunch of kids who never heard of either. :)</div>
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