Headhunters get the ax - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-28T12:58:38Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/headhunters-get-the-ax?feed=yes&xn_auth=nostaffUP partners have the ben…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-01-26:502551:Comment:5196372009-01-26T04:48:24.980ZMichael Saulnierhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MichaelSaulnier
staffUP partners have the benefit of our model which provides them with 90% of the profits generated on the placements they make... with only three active contractors on billing... assuming a staffUP partner developed the order and filled it... they would make over $6,000 a month if the average pay / bill was only $40/60. If they can get just 5 people on billing they make $10,000 a month... every month their contractors are on an engagement.<br />
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In high demand areas like ERP development or Medical…
staffUP partners have the benefit of our model which provides them with 90% of the profits generated on the placements they make... with only three active contractors on billing... assuming a staffUP partner developed the order and filled it... they would make over $6,000 a month if the average pay / bill was only $40/60. If they can get just 5 people on billing they make $10,000 a month... every month their contractors are on an engagement.<br />
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In high demand areas like ERP development or Medical IT consulting... the profits can be double this.<br />
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With just 5 contractors on billing at $80 / 120... we would be sending them over $20k per month.<br />
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We provide all the money, front and back office, payroll, invoicing, collections... everything a typical brick and mortar agency does... but we don't believe that we deserve 90% of the money for doing it...<br />
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We welcome the top performers with strong relationships who are going to be ejected by the traditional agencies in these tough times. When the placements are fewer and farther between, we're the answer.<br />
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Then, when the market finally starts to improve, we have incredible upside. Anyone getting 50 contractors on billing as a staffUP partner will enjoy over a million dollars per year.<br />
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staffUP @staffUP.com Claudia Faust said:I'm curiou…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-01-26:502551:Comment:5196312009-01-26T04:39:31.789ZMichael Saulnierhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MichaelSaulnier
<cite>Claudia Faust said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/headhunters-get-the-ax#502551Comment514698"><div>I'm curious - what jobs have recruiters historically migrated toward in previous slow economies? I mean, if they leave recruiting for a paycheck, where have they gone?</div>
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In the dot-com implosion around 2000 - 2001, many went into the "hot" areas... mortgage lending, real estate sales, and other sales roles...<br />
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This economy doesn't have…
<cite>Claudia Faust said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/headhunters-get-the-ax#502551Comment514698"><div>I'm curious - what jobs have recruiters historically migrated toward in previous slow economies? I mean, if they leave recruiting for a paycheck, where have they gone?</div>
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In the dot-com implosion around 2000 - 2001, many went into the "hot" areas... mortgage lending, real estate sales, and other sales roles...<br />
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This economy doesn't have as many "hot" areas.<br />
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Michael Interesting point of view Sar…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-01-25:502551:Comment:5191462009-01-25T10:16:12.328ZDan Nuroohttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/DanNuroo
Interesting point of view Sarah, whilst some of it is tough to argue with, there are some points, I would like to cover... firstly, I feel you are only talking about Third Party Recruiters, correct? but I could be wrong.<br />
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"With all due respect to recruiters they are not HR professionals they are sales agents." and this is a bad thing? I am an internal recruiter, I have been an agency Recruiter... and yet I still maintain that what I do is sales.... My job is to make money for my organisation...…
Interesting point of view Sarah, whilst some of it is tough to argue with, there are some points, I would like to cover... firstly, I feel you are only talking about Third Party Recruiters, correct? but I could be wrong.<br />
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"With all due respect to recruiters they are not HR professionals they are sales agents." and this is a bad thing? I am an internal recruiter, I have been an agency Recruiter... and yet I still maintain that what I do is sales.... My job is to make money for my organisation... I think that is everyone's responsibility isn't it? I sell my company to the world, I may not sell my products but I sell the vision of the company to interested parties. HR may have all the warm and fuzzies in the organisation, yet they still have to sell the vision, the direction and the policies to the people of the company, maybe we should call it internal sales huh? I also sense a higher pedastal for HR professionals in your conscientiousness.. why? What is so special about an HR professional? In my world.. Recruitment sits in between HR and Sales, and we now have our own part on the org chart and Management team.<br />
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"Many businesses find them an annoying third party anyway." TRUE. but so what... I find it annoying doing my taxes, going to the dentist or even grocery shopping.. but you have to do them.<br />
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"I have tried several of them to fill junior accounting roles and 95% of the candidates sent to me from the recruiter have not been suitable. Even if we weren't in a tough economic time it's best for companies to hire without them anyway." = I can't argue with that, without that I have no job... but I warn you, there are differences between an HR person and an HR person who wants to Recruit, sure you can post an ad and process the response, however finding that candidate, and then closing that candidate really does need a different skill set.<br />
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"Tell me this. How possibly can a recruiter know what a company is looking for in a candidate? They have no idea of organizations best interests and are simply looking for commission." - Really? A detailed job brief for one... a skilled Recruiter can ask the right questions to ensure they aren't working solely off a job order or position description, ie tough to define culture in a job description, but a cultural fit has to be one of the biggest reasons for making a hire. Organisational best interests, goes 2 ways.. sure there is a commission focus, but hey, if the client dies.. so does the recruiter.<br />
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"Some companies get sucked in to their sales pitch of how it saves time and money which is total rubbish and most employers know this." - I always loved this... most HR Professionals I know hate Recruiting with a passion.. would rather put their head in an oven than Recruit. Would prefer to be writing policies on chewing gum in the office than dealing with external people trying to get into your company. Recruiting then takes a back seat to afore mentioned policy and takes longer and longer.. Everything cost money, your time, HR's time etc, sifting through 1400 resumes for a junior accounting role would take forever.. costly... but hey each their own.<br />
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"That is my opinion from an employer’s perspective. I have many friends looking for work that have even less respect for this industry." = From my employers opinion, (and trust me, my CEO dislikes TPRs with the best of them) I know this.. there are less than reputable people in every industry, and there are heaps in this.. I have met and heard the legend of many... however, when someone has been out of work for a while, cannot get the responses from applying to job boards, I'm sure they will find a way to find some love for that Recruiter who finds them that role or employs them directly. A defined value proposition, if delivered... works wonders. Yes, I agree, recruiters will…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-01-24:502551:Comment:5188352009-01-24T19:45:48.800ZSarah Fraserhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/SarahFraser
Yes, I agree, recruiters will find some other form of sales roles to get into.<br />
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With all due respect to recruiters they are not HR professionals they are sales agents. Many businesses find them an annoying third party anyway.<br />
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I have tried several of them to fill junior accounting roles and 95% of the candidates sent to me from the recruiter have not been suitable. Even if we weren't in a tough economic time it's best for companies to hire without them anyway.<br />
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Tell me this. How possibly can a…
Yes, I agree, recruiters will find some other form of sales roles to get into.<br />
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With all due respect to recruiters they are not HR professionals they are sales agents. Many businesses find them an annoying third party anyway.<br />
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I have tried several of them to fill junior accounting roles and 95% of the candidates sent to me from the recruiter have not been suitable. Even if we weren't in a tough economic time it's best for companies to hire without them anyway.<br />
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Tell me this. How possibly can a recruiter know what a company is looking for in a candidate? They have no idea of organizations best interests and are simply looking for commission.<br />
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Some companies get sucked in to their sales pitch of how it saves time and money which is total rubbish and most employers know this.<br />
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That is my opinion from an employer’s perspective. I have many friends looking for work that have even less respect for this industry.<br />
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Sarah I have to agree with Adam, I…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-01-23:502551:Comment:5160192009-01-23T02:16:32.404ZDan Nuroohttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/DanNuroo
I have to agree with Adam, I think the ability to articulate your own personal (and your companies) value proposition is essential now days, even better when you can relate that to the business need/pain in the form of an easy solution. That said, this was an opinion formed during the tech wreck in '01, I work as an internal function now.. maybe things have changed.<br />
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I have to agree with Adam, I think the ability to articulate your own personal (and your companies) value proposition is essential now days, even better when you can relate that to the business need/pain in the form of an easy solution. That said, this was an opinion formed during the tech wreck in '01, I work as an internal function now.. maybe things have changed.<br />
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<cite>John W. Riley said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/headhunters-get-the-ax?page=1&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A515531&x=1#502551Comment515188"><div>thanks for the follow up, it kind of ruined my morning when i read it on cnn.com too, but like Rochelle said above, it will come back. i am not really to worried yet since companies will always need our services.</div>
</blockquote> I wrote something on this tod…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-01-22:502551:Comment:5155312009-01-22T21:55:53.614ZMaureen Sharibhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MaureenSharib
I wrote <a href="http://www.ere.net/2009/01/22/recession-reset/">something</a> on this today over on ERE.<br />
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"...this may be a good time to do it if you ever thought of it before." ~ Rochelle
I wrote <a href="http://www.ere.net/2009/01/22/recession-reset/">something</a> on this today over on ERE.<br />
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"...this may be a good time to do it if you ever thought of it before." ~ Rochelle thanks for the follow up, it…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-01-22:502551:Comment:5151882009-01-22T20:21:16.090ZJohn W. Rileyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JohnWRiley
thanks for the follow up, it kind of ruined my morning when i read it on cnn.com too, but like Rochelle said above, it will come back. i am not really to worried yet since companies will always need our services.
thanks for the follow up, it kind of ruined my morning when i read it on cnn.com too, but like Rochelle said above, it will come back. i am not really to worried yet since companies will always need our services. Yes, raised my eyebrow a litt…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-01-22:502551:Comment:5149622009-01-22T19:47:14.929ZNate Fischerhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/NateFischer
Yes, raised my eyebrow a little this morning. . .
Yes, raised my eyebrow a little this morning. . . I'm curious - what jobs have…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-01-22:502551:Comment:5146982009-01-22T18:58:25.132ZClaudia Fausthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ClaudiaFaust
I'm curious - what jobs have recruiters historically migrated toward in previous slow economies? I mean, if they leave recruiting for a paycheck, where have they gone?
I'm curious - what jobs have recruiters historically migrated toward in previous slow economies? I mean, if they leave recruiting for a paycheck, where have they gone? This article brings up a grea…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-01-22:502551:Comment:5146172009-01-22T18:44:12.614ZAdam Petersonhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Adam51
This article brings up a great point. As companies are cutting costs across the board, they are evaluating the value proposition of paying recruiters a "hefty hiring fee." Whether it is coaching, career development, screening abilities or something else, for recruiters to get paid what their value is, it seems time to re-define to the customer population what that value is - considering that by their actions of looking elsewhere, they are questioning it.<br />
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This exact same pressure is being put…
This article brings up a great point. As companies are cutting costs across the board, they are evaluating the value proposition of paying recruiters a "hefty hiring fee." Whether it is coaching, career development, screening abilities or something else, for recruiters to get paid what their value is, it seems time to re-define to the customer population what that value is - considering that by their actions of looking elsewhere, they are questioning it.<br />
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This exact same pressure is being put on service based industries across the board that are either cutting costs (effectively admitting they were previously over priced) or re-defining their positioning and value.