"I Just Got Fired, Can I Come See You?" - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-28T17:41:35Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/i-just-got-fired-can-i-come-see-you?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A1651879&feed=yes&xn_auth=noSandra,
The firings that are…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2013-01-28:502551:Comment:16566042013-01-28T05:41:12.734ZJohn W. Ferneborghttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Ferneborg
<p>Sandra,</p>
<p>The firings that are gut-wrenching to watch are the long-time business and family friends nearing the end of their career. More specifically, individuals that need one solid job where they can have fun, make an impact and retire gracefully from. This economy has taken such a drastic toll on retirement funds for many people. </p>
<p>I've been in the search business with my father for 20 years (I'm 44, my father is 69). Unfortunately I'm seeing this happen more frequently…</p>
<p>Sandra,</p>
<p>The firings that are gut-wrenching to watch are the long-time business and family friends nearing the end of their career. More specifically, individuals that need one solid job where they can have fun, make an impact and retire gracefully from. This economy has taken such a drastic toll on retirement funds for many people. </p>
<p>I've been in the search business with my father for 20 years (I'm 44, my father is 69). Unfortunately I'm seeing this happen more frequently with friends and business contacts in the 60-69 age bracket. Very sad indeed!</p>
<p>Being a good listener, offering suggestions and making sure common sense prevails is an honor and a perk of our business. I'm very happy to be able to do this for someone in need.</p>
<p>- John</p> Thanks John. What is the wor…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2013-01-23:502551:Comment:16547262013-01-23T03:53:40.045ZSandra McCartthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/SandraMcCartt
<p>Thanks John. What is the worst firing situation you have ever worked with?</p>
<p>Thanks John. What is the worst firing situation you have ever worked with?</p> I read a lot on here, but don…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2013-01-22:502551:Comment:16540102013-01-22T07:07:23.490ZJohn W. Ferneborghttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Ferneborg
<p>I read a lot on here, but don't post much. This put a smile on my face. Thumbs up Sandra.</p>
<p>I read a lot on here, but don't post much. This put a smile on my face. Thumbs up Sandra.</p> Thanks all, I think one of th…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2013-01-19:502551:Comment:16524392013-01-19T18:20:26.591ZSandra McCartthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/SandraMcCartt
Thanks all, I think one of the things that make these situations so difficult is when someone is terminated and instead of being honestly told why, they are given some goofy trumped up reason by their employer to protect the company in some way.<br />
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I had one last week who was told that he was being terminated because he failed to verify one of 800 orders he had approved since the first of Nov. He was dumbfounded and asked if that made any sense to me. No it didn't. As we talked he indicated that…
Thanks all, I think one of the things that make these situations so difficult is when someone is terminated and instead of being honestly told why, they are given some goofy trumped up reason by their employer to protect the company in some way.<br />
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I had one last week who was told that he was being terminated because he failed to verify one of 800 orders he had approved since the first of Nov. He was dumbfounded and asked if that made any sense to me. No it didn't. As we talked he indicated that he had taken the job a year and a half ago at a paycut because the company had assured him they would give him the flexibility to finish his degree. Six months later he was written up for not spending enough time in the field with his reps. In Dec. he had notified his supervisor that his last final before graduation had been scheduled for the same time as a phone conference. He was told he would have to reschedule his final because he had been late to a meeting in Sept. he had taken all classes either at night or online except this one that was only offered on campus so had come in early, taken a late lunch and worked late to offset the time for this class. His supervisor had been supportive of him finishing his degree until it came to the final. When he advised his supervisor that he could not reschedule his final, the boss left it that he could not miss the phone conference.<br />
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The week before the final and the phone conference HR showed up, called him in and told him since he had been written up once a year ago, had been late to a meeting and had failed to verify an order in Nov. he was being terminated. He was in shock, mad, thought it was a crock and he had been "done wrong".<br />
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Then I asked the question, "Were you planning on looking for a new job when you finished your degree?". He looked funny for a moment and said, " absolutely, the only reason I took this job was because they promised me the flexibility to finish school, but I built a great sales team and produced better numbers than they have ever had,"<br />
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We both sat quietly for a long minute. He looked up and said, " this wasn't about failure to verify an order, they knew I was going to be looking, but why would they try to sabatoge my last final?"<br />
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Who knows, my friend, but most companies get testy when they know they have an employee who really doesn't want to be there. I would suspect that if you think about it, you probably sent that message in several subtle ways over a period of time. There might have been a better way they could have handled it such as simply having a discussion with you and giving you the opportunity to resign, give enough notice to help them transition your position, but would you have done that?<br />
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He hesitated, smiled and said, " no, probably not."<br />
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Probably errors on both sides of this situation. That happens in the business of people and jobs but I think we got to what he needs to say to a prospective employer to accept part of the responsibility for his situation. The company might have been more upfront rather than trying to make it a firing for cause so they could avoid an unemployment claim. Maybe not, they sign the front of the check and it's a right to work state.<br />
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He did get unemployment benefits because it was determined that there was no triggering event, the company went back to one error two months ago so the termination was not related to job performance.<br />
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He will be able to be honest about the reason he took the job, was planning on looking when he finished his degree. His employer knew it and gave him full time to look for his next success.<br />
Most potential new employers will understand both sides of this situation.<br />
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Digging for reasons and being abel to explain them is what we do or what we should be able to do..I think. Helping a candidate be able to explain a less than optimum situation is a vital service our profession can perform. Awesome post Sandra! tag:recruitingblogs.com,2013-01-19:502551:Comment:16519902013-01-19T13:14:50.499Zpam claughtonhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/pamclaughton
<p>Awesome post Sandra! </p>
<p>Awesome post Sandra! </p> Great blog Sandra!tag:recruitingblogs.com,2013-01-19:502551:Comment:16518962013-01-19T01:43:35.365ZWill Thomsonhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/WillThomson
Great blog Sandra!
Great blog Sandra! Such a nice post. I received…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2013-01-19:502551:Comment:16520402013-01-19T01:29:28.062ZNoel Coccahttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/NoelCocca
<p>Such a nice post. I received a call from a doctors wife, begging me to get her out of her current location (of 6 years). She said it was killing her family and her husband. It took hours, days to get them placed...as you know physician placement is a long cycle. Sandra your customer service is exemplary and matches your heart/passion.</p>
<p>Such a nice post. I received a call from a doctors wife, begging me to get her out of her current location (of 6 years). She said it was killing her family and her husband. It took hours, days to get them placed...as you know physician placement is a long cycle. Sandra your customer service is exemplary and matches your heart/passion.</p> Sandra, good post my friend.…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2013-01-18:502551:Comment:16518792013-01-18T23:31:42.721ZSureshhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Suresh97
<p>Sandra, good post my friend.</p>
<p>Some people are either are too macho or believe in the short term bottom line and may not recognize the value of what you just said. That's what makes a "Rock Star" in my mind..</p>
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<p>Sandra, good post my friend.</p>
<p>Some people are either are too macho or believe in the short term bottom line and may not recognize the value of what you just said. That's what makes a "Rock Star" in my mind..</p>
<p> </p> I think when i start rolling…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2013-01-18:502551:Comment:16519352013-01-18T23:06:18.149ZSandra McCartthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/SandraMcCartt
<p>I think when i start rolling fast and hard the powers that be send some my way to remind me that candidates are people and not digits or resumes. I have had three this week, i'm drained. I hope i made a difference but i sure need something with a lime in it. My mantra is: "Dont get too tired, too hungry or too lonely, you will find another job and you will be glad someday that this happened. Today it just sucks buttermilk."</p>
<p>I think when i start rolling fast and hard the powers that be send some my way to remind me that candidates are people and not digits or resumes. I have had three this week, i'm drained. I hope i made a difference but i sure need something with a lime in it. My mantra is: "Dont get too tired, too hungry or too lonely, you will find another job and you will be glad someday that this happened. Today it just sucks buttermilk."</p> I hate these calls, and alway…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2013-01-18:502551:Comment:16519322013-01-18T22:57:19.670ZAmberhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Amber689
<p>I hate these calls, and always try to do something for people that are in this position. Thanks for the post about the human side of it all, <em><strong>THIS</strong></em> is what candidate experience is about.</p>
<p>I hate these calls, and always try to do something for people that are in this position. Thanks for the post about the human side of it all, <em><strong>THIS</strong></em> is what candidate experience is about.</p>