Just so you know where I am coming from - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-28T13:29:21Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/just-so-you-know-where-i-am?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A561812&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHey Josh, I just got back and…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-02-21:502551:Comment:5618122009-02-21T20:48:07.355ZSlouchhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Slouch
Hey Josh, I just got back and read this. which company scammed you?<br />
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There is no inner circle here that decides what advertising to take and where to put it. It's just me that handles that so I am sorry for what happened and please let me know which company it was that you are referring to.<br />
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Also, I can't find the workaround group you are referring to. what's the link. Thanks<br />
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<cite>Joshua Letourneau said:…</cite>
Hey Josh, I just got back and read this. which company scammed you?<br />
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There is no inner circle here that decides what advertising to take and where to put it. It's just me that handles that so I am sorry for what happened and please let me know which company it was that you are referring to.<br />
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Also, I can't find the workaround group you are referring to. what's the link. Thanks<br />
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<cite>Joshua Letourneau said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/just-so-you-know-where-i-am?page=2&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A555130&x=1#502551Comment554441"><div>Since we're being honest here, this is my $.02 --<br/> <br/>
I have a bigger concern with ads on RecruitingBlogs that are actually for poor products. IMHO, the real difficulty begins when the inner circle of RBC has to make decisions of maximizing ad placement revenue versus having great companies with great products advertise here.<br/>
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I only say this because I purchased a product through an ad on RBC, only to learn I'd been scammed. The product wasn't ready for market . . . I even thought about starting a 'workaround' group on RBC to find other end-users so that we could put our minds together to find ways to rig the product to do basic things (like create a call-list, import states and cities correctly from resumes, etc.) In the end, I didn't make this workaround group here because I thought it would be a dis-service. While a workaround group would have been helpful to me, I didn't start it for the good of the community and the health of RBC long-term (in terms of not upsetting firms providing lifeblood ad revenue). I know that I would appreciate it if a community member thought about the greater good.<br/>
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Now, is that RBC's fault? No way; not at all; not even in the slightest. I made the buying decision based upon a 3-day trial or so. But I had an expectation that solutions were vetted and that only the best were marketed to us as community members . . . because that's a big part of the value I find in RBC. Today, I'm currently in the process of starting my own social network geared toward something completely non-recruiting related, and I ask myself what kinds of ads I want presented to my community members. This presents tough decisions because ad revenue can be the lifeblood of a community . . . so much so that I'm already considering these things today, despite having a community in which the lights aren't even 'turned on' yet.<br/>
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P.S. Kudos, Jerry - your posts over the last couple months have taken on a nice 'bouncer-esque' feel, and that may be necessary as the community continues to scale. You are wearing your newfound sheriff badge quite well for the good of the community :)</div>
</blockquote> Not with my fingers tied in k…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-02-17:502551:Comment:5554182009-02-17T18:16:37.647ZSteve Levyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Dieselevy
Not with my fingers tied in knots...<br />
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<cite>Rayanne said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/just-so-you-know-where-i-am?page=3&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A555410&x=1#502551Comment555410"><div>I want to apply! any openings? Are you sure you don't write novels, Steve?<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Maureen Sharib said:…</cite></div>
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Not with my fingers tied in knots...<br />
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<cite>Rayanne said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/just-so-you-know-where-i-am?page=3&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A555410&x=1#502551Comment555410"><div>I want to apply! any openings? Are you sure you don't write novels, Steve?<br/> <br/>
<cite>Maureen Sharib said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/just-so-you-know-where-i-am?id=502551%3ATopic%3A546708&page=3#502551Comment555241"><div>Vetting vendors<br/> Crushing callous commentors<br/> Vilify the vociferously vocal<br/>
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Sounds like a job description to me if ever I heard one!<br/>
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</blockquote> Josh for $800 I did not think…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-02-17:502551:Comment:5552582009-02-17T16:34:21.783ZMartin H.Snyderhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MartinHSnyder
Josh for $800 I did not think they (whoever they are) were in our space....but I hear you screaming, its over ;-)
Josh for $800 I did not think they (whoever they are) were in our space....but I hear you screaming, its over ;-) Vetting vendors
Crushing call…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-02-17:502551:Comment:5552412009-02-17T16:28:52.077ZMaureen Sharibhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MaureenSharib
Vetting vendors<br />
Crushing callous commentors<br />
Vilify the vociferously vocal<br />
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Sounds like a job description to me if ever I heard one!<br />
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Vetting vendors<br />
Crushing callous commentors<br />
Vilify the vociferously vocal<br />
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Sounds like a job description to me if ever I heard one!<br />
;) Back in the old days of ERE (…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-02-17:502551:Comment:5552042009-02-17T16:13:17.316ZSteve Levyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Dieselevy
Back in the old days of ERE (meaning anything before RBC and Recruiting.com) apparently I was one of a group of people who were purported to be the bullies of the community who vetted vendors, crushed callous commentors, and vilified those who were vociferously vocal.<br />
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Of course, this was the furthest thing from the truth. Sure some of us noted when arguments were wholier than the best Swiss cheese and offered our POVs but we never made it a practice of going after people unless they attacked…
Back in the old days of ERE (meaning anything before RBC and Recruiting.com) apparently I was one of a group of people who were purported to be the bullies of the community who vetted vendors, crushed callous commentors, and vilified those who were vociferously vocal.<br />
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Of course, this was the furthest thing from the truth. Sure some of us noted when arguments were wholier than the best Swiss cheese and offered our POVs but we never made it a practice of going after people unless they attacked without merit (like when they'd try to blatantly sell company directories - <i>tsk, tsk, tsk</i>). Never.<br />
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As far as blatant ads - or accounts that are clearly spam - I see it just as clearly as directory sellers: The mass posting to all groups is simply a moral violation of the community's basic tenets. One solution is an ad group where just ads are posted not requests for information; RFIs can be posted anywhere but there needs to be a "respond to me privately" rule or else it becomes a blatant ad.<br />
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But if we take this <i>we-need-to-manage-things-that-are-detrimental-to-the-community</i> line of thought further, we're into the slippery slope of looking at individuals who add little or no value to the community other than to build a network. Is there really a difference between these? Martin, your recommendation i…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-02-17:502551:Comment:5551982009-02-17T16:09:50.966ZJoshua Letourneauhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JoshuaLetourneau
Martin, your recommendation is duly noted. As to why I wrote my post, I was simply conveying a concern from a macro-community perspective.<br />
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My discussions were with the vendor themselves, over the phone, not on a public discussion board. Maybe I'm old school in that sense.<br />
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Again, let me repeat that your recommendation and statement is duly noted, but I will not retract based on any form of pressure to out one of PCR's competitors. My post was from a macro-perspective and if someone wants to…
Martin, your recommendation is duly noted. As to why I wrote my post, I was simply conveying a concern from a macro-community perspective.<br />
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My discussions were with the vendor themselves, over the phone, not on a public discussion board. Maybe I'm old school in that sense.<br />
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Again, let me repeat that your recommendation and statement is duly noted, but I will not retract based on any form of pressure to out one of PCR's competitors. My post was from a macro-perspective and if someone wants to discuss the product, they can reach out to me personally.<br />
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Moving on . . . and not looking back . . . and I mean that positively. Let's catch up at an event one of these days because this discussion is much bigger than me or you, and we are now dominating this entry.<br />
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<cite>Martin H.Snyder said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/just-so-you-know-where-i-am?page=2&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A555162&x=1#502551Comment555162"><div>Josh,<br/> <br/>
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That's why I find your post problematic- why type it out in the first place ? If you won't name the vendor, your complaints are without context, and in this case, to ponder any sort of vetting that could or should have happened and yet be unwilling to provide some yourself is in a real sense inviting more trouble for your fellows by withholding what may be a useful warning.<br/>
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As to the harm to Jason's revenue stream that could occur with a negative review of this offering; not only can he take good care of himself, but I would highly doubt that such a thing would impact any advertising decision anyway, unless it were from Jason's own hand, which is another aspect of your vetting post.<br/>
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As of now, your position does not help the vendor or the RBC community- I hope you reconsider it.</div>
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Oh I know its not PCR…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-02-17:502551:Comment:5551622009-02-17T15:55:05.945ZMartin H.Snyderhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MartinHSnyder
Josh,<br />
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Oh I <u>know</u> its not PCR because one of the things PCR does well is produce call lists- but even it were, that would be fine with me- there are plenty of posts already on RBC both negative and positive about us- as there will be with any major vendor.<br />
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Human nature demands a Ford for every Chevy, and some folks won't like one or the other no matter what you do. Mac v. Windows, Tom v. Jerry, Bush v. Gore- the world is full of em.<br />
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Plus sometimes we just screw stuff up- not afraid to…
Josh,<br />
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Oh I <u>know</u> its not PCR because one of the things PCR does well is produce call lists- but even it were, that would be fine with me- there are plenty of posts already on RBC both negative and positive about us- as there will be with any major vendor.<br />
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Human nature demands a Ford for every Chevy, and some folks won't like one or the other no matter what you do. Mac v. Windows, Tom v. Jerry, Bush v. Gore- the world is full of em.<br />
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Plus sometimes we just screw stuff up- not afraid to admit it or talk about our mistakes because we value transparency, and we try not to make the same ones twice, which is more than twice as bad. Not going to go out of our way to draw attention to them, but not going to try and spin them away either. Most vendors don't get out in front about their issues, but we all have them, because we are all human beings and no enterprise of any nature is flawless (to say the least).<br />
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It's a little odd these days to have a personal motto, but I do have one; "knowledge is a hard won thing".<br />
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That's why I find your post problematic- why type it out in the first place ? If you won't name the vendor, your complaints are without context, and in this case, to ponder any sort of vetting that could or should have happened and yet be unwilling to provide some yourself is in a real sense inviting more trouble for your fellows by withholding what may be a useful warning.<br />
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As to the harm to Jason's revenue stream that could occur with a negative review of this offering; not only can he take good care of himself, but I would highly doubt that such a thing would impact any advertising decision anyway, unless it were from Jason's own hand, which is another aspect of your vetting post.<br />
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As of now, your position does not help the vendor or the RBC community- I hope you reconsider it. Martin, I understand where yo…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-02-17:502551:Comment:5551302009-02-17T15:31:22.746ZJoshua Letourneauhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JoshuaLetourneau
Martin, I understand where you are coming from - I really do. But man-to-man, I just don't feel comfortable putting the product out there (btw, no, it's not PCRecruiter) :) See, the organization 'was' advertising here (and might come back), and that means revenue to RBC . . . which allows RBC to reinvest back into the community (hopefully - lol). By me calling an advertiser out, it's as if I'm looking to satiate my own desire to let the world know their product doesn't work (literally, it's…
Martin, I understand where you are coming from - I really do. But man-to-man, I just don't feel comfortable putting the product out there (btw, no, it's not PCRecruiter) :) See, the organization 'was' advertising here (and might come back), and that means revenue to RBC . . . which allows RBC to reinvest back into the community (hopefully - lol). By me calling an advertiser out, it's as if I'm looking to satiate my own desire to let the world know their product doesn't work (literally, it's like having a nice-looking car in the driveway, although the transmission is blown so you can't make it out of 2nd gear) :)<br />
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I'm not a very religious person, but I do have a 'confucious-like' mentality in the sense that I'd prefer to stand for the greater good of the community than for a self-serving post. I've been down on Bounty, much like 95% of TPRs I know, but they're not advertising here or I wouldn't say anything. Now, a 'workaround' group was an idea that I thought might be ok because it really was going to be a group for RBC members that purchased the product via an ad here. But, when I thought it through, I just dusted myself off and didn't look back at the $800 bones I dropped. I get way more value at RBC to worry about a few bucks. Know what I mean?<br />
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P.S. I'm not trying to 'wow' anyone with any of my posts :) Being very straightforward, I work from home 90% of the time, so a major value in RBC to me is that it connects me with other recruiters and TA pros . . . and in that regard, I have a loyalty to RBC as my social network of choice. Sure, there are other resources out there, but I like the 'down-to-earthness' over here. I'd even argue that if this site was on par with some of the other 'more professional' social networks out there, that members would drop off. It's a feel of reality here . . . a feeling of comfort. Today's day of social media is interesting because I'm more drawn to uploaded personal photos (i.e. someone with their family, a dog, a landmark, etc.) as opposed to high-gloss stock photography. I commend RBC on carving out this niche . . . and I further commend everyone at RBC for outstanding execution.<br />
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P.S.S. In terms of naming the product, I would be happy to do so if someone calls me or messages me here. I'm not withholding . . . but I just don't feel right broadcasting it. I hope you understand.<br />
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<cite>Martin H.Snyder said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/just-so-you-know-where-i-am?page=2&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A554900&x=1#502551Comment554940"><div>Josh I'm not wowed by this post of yours for a few reasons (qualified by the thought that I really enjoy many of your posts).<br/> 1) This notion that "solutions were vetted" before being cleared to advertise on RBC. Where does that come from? Who is to do the vetting? Jason? RBC Members? To ascribe any value to an offering because of the channel presenting the ad is sort of touching in its innocence in this day and age, but really.....ain't that how Madoff made his bones ?
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2) Your own post is cloying in its way because you won't help do vetting yourself- you expect it done for you? <u>Name</u> the solution that let you down. As long as your comments are truthful and your own opinion, you have nothing to worry about- or are you worried about saying something unpopular or offending that vendor ? Either way, it's not helpful to other would-be buyers for you to withhold the one critical bit of information.<br />
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Fess up Josh !<br />
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</blockquote> Josh I'm not wowed by this po…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-02-17:502551:Comment:5549402009-02-17T13:45:44.393ZMartin H.Snyderhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MartinHSnyder
Josh I'm not wowed by this post of yours for a few reasons (qualified by the thought that I really enjoy many of your posts).<br />
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1) This notion that "solutions were vetted" before being cleared to advertise on RBC. Where does that come from? Who is to do the vetting? Jason? RBC Members? To ascribe any value to an offering because of the channel presenting the ad is sort of touching in its innocence in this day and age, but really.....ain't that how Madoff made his bones ?<br />
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2) Your own post is…
Josh I'm not wowed by this post of yours for a few reasons (qualified by the thought that I really enjoy many of your posts).<br />
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1) This notion that "solutions were vetted" before being cleared to advertise on RBC. Where does that come from? Who is to do the vetting? Jason? RBC Members? To ascribe any value to an offering because of the channel presenting the ad is sort of touching in its innocence in this day and age, but really.....ain't that how Madoff made his bones ?<br />
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2) Your own post is cloying in its way because you won't help do vetting yourself- you expect it done for you? <u>Name</u> the solution that let you down. As long as your comments are truthful and your own opinion, you have nothing to worry about- or are you worried about saying something unpopular or offending that vendor ? Either way, it's not helpful to other would-be buyers for you to withhold the one critical bit of information.<br />
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Fess up Josh !<br />
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<cite>Joshua Letourneau said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/just-so-you-know-where-i-am?id=502551%3ATopic%3A546708&page=2#502551Comment554441"><div>Since we're being honest here, this is my $.02 --<br/><br/>I have a bigger concern with ads on RecruitingBlogs that are actually for poor products. IMHO, the real difficulty begins when the inner circle of RBC has to make decisions of maximizing ad placement revenue versus having great companies with great products advertise here.<br/><br/>I only say this because I purchased a product through an ad on RBC, only to learn I'd been scammed. The product wasn't ready for market . . . I even thought about starting a 'workaround' group on RBC to find other end-users so that we could put our minds together to find ways to rig the product to do basic things (like create a call-list, import states and cities correctly from resumes, etc.) In the end, I didn't make this workaround group here because I thought it would be a dis-service. While a workaround group would have been helpful to me, I didn't start it for the good of the community and the health of RBC long-term (in terms of not upsetting firms providing lifeblood ad revenue). I know that I would appreciate it if a community member thought about the greater good.<br/><br/>Now, is that RBC's fault? No way; not at all; not even in the slightest. I made the buying decision based upon a 3-day trial or so. But I had an expectation that solutions were vetted and that only the best were marketed to us as community members . . . because that's a big part of the value I find in RBC. Today, I'm currently in the process of starting my own social network geared toward something completely non-recruiting related, and I ask myself what kinds of ads I want presented to my community members. This presents tough decisions because ad revenue can be the lifeblood of a community . . . so much so that I'm already considering these things today, despite having a community in which the lights aren't even 'turned on' yet.<br/><br/>P.S. Kudos, Jerry - your posts over the last couple months have taken on a nice 'bouncer-esque' feel, and that may be necessary as the community continues to scale. You are wearing your newfound sheriff badge quite well for the good of the community :)</div>
</blockquote> Noted like a true Englishman…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-02-17:502551:Comment:5549002009-02-17T13:17:23.550ZMaureen Sharibhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MaureenSharib
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Noted like a true Englishman: <i>"...what's the difference between public pillorying and a few heads conspicuously displayed on pikes at the city gate?"</i><br />
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Noted like a true Englishman: <i>"...what's the difference between public pillorying and a few heads conspicuously displayed on pikes at the city gate?"</i><br />
;)