Recruiting, Propaganda and Persuasion - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-28T20:39:34Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/recruiting-propaganda-and?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A609653&feed=yes&xn_auth=noSteve, in reply to yours...…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-03-31:502551:Comment:6106062009-03-31T22:56:02.345ZAmitai Givertzhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Recruitomatic
Steve, in reply to yours...<br />
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<blockquote>Ami, You have obviously never bought a lemon or been through a divorce. I congratulate you on both</blockquote>
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I'm rather pleased I'm not the only one who thinks of those things as being related achievements. Thank you.<br />
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<blockquote>But quote "Average recruiters tell their candidate the job is great and they're gonna love it. Top recruiters help their candidates say 'The job is great and I'm gonna love it!' " pretty much sums up the jist of this…</blockquote>
Steve, in reply to yours...<br />
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<blockquote>Ami, You have obviously never bought a lemon or been through a divorce. I congratulate you on both</blockquote>
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I'm rather pleased I'm not the only one who thinks of those things as being related achievements. Thank you.<br />
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<blockquote>But quote "Average recruiters tell their candidate the job is great and they're gonna love it. Top recruiters help their candidates say 'The job is great and I'm gonna love it!' " pretty much sums up the jist of this conversation.</blockquote>
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Are you attributing that quote to me? I didn't say it and cannot support it. That's not to suggest I don't understand it. I do.<br />
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The issues I am pressing are about persuasion and deception:<br />
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1) Most people's denial that they are involved in some level of deception on daily basis;<br />
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2) That once a person becomes self-aware deception can be deployed as a strategy, and often is;<br />
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3) Those who flat-out reject the possibility of my being right [while I conceded the possibility of being wrong] can rarely demonstrate the levels of transparency and authenticity that would suggest they never engage in any level of deception, ever;<br />
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4) I don't think one can avoid being deceptive unless they first recognize that we are hard-wired to do it, often pulling it off without even recognizing it for what it is: a deception.<br />
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<blockquote>As I have read this trough, and many similar blogs that you've taken part in, I fail to see where the candidate is considered anything but a "Star performer" or an idiot. There seems to be no in-between with you.</blockquote>
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I cannot reply to this without specific examples. Do have any?<br />
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<blockquote>Regardless, Amitai, I've learned my lesson. In the future I'm staying away from any blog you take a part in.</blockquote>
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That's a shame.<br />
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<cite>Steve Delaney said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/recruiting-propaganda-and?x=1&id=502551%3ATopic%3A609579&page=3#502551Comment610408"><div>Ami, You have obviously never bought a lemon or been through a divorce. I congratulate you on both<br/></div>
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ok. > Slouch said: what did I…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-03-31:502551:Comment:6104552009-03-31T19:38:49.510ZRecruiting Animalhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/canadianheadhunter
> Slouch said: what did I miss?<br />
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Just a little tiff, JD. Move along now... No soap opera here.<br />
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@Jerry: couldn't get into your chat. I tried
> Slouch said: what did I miss?<br />
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Just a little tiff, JD. Move along now... No soap opera here.<br />
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@Jerry: couldn't get into your chat. I tried Who's Mike?
Slouch said:what…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-03-31:502551:Comment:6104512009-03-31T19:35:03.783ZJerry Albrighthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JerryAlbright
Who's Mike?<br />
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<cite>Slouch said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/recruiting-propaganda-and?page=3&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A610431&x=1#502551Comment610431"><div>what did I miss? Mike, please explain with words I'll understand. Thanks</div>
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Who's Mike?<br />
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<cite>Slouch said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/recruiting-propaganda-and?page=3&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A610431&x=1#502551Comment610431"><div>what did I miss? Mike, please explain with words I'll understand. Thanks</div>
</blockquote> what did I miss? Mike, please…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-03-31:502551:Comment:6104312009-03-31T19:28:29.977ZSlouchhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Slouch
what did I miss? Mike, please explain with words I'll understand. Thanks
what did I miss? Mike, please explain with words I'll understand. Thanks Steve, Ami, come on, make nic…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-03-31:502551:Comment:6104162009-03-31T19:23:30.174ZRecruiting Animalhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/canadianheadhunter
Steve, Ami, come on, make nice. You're both nice guys in real life! This is my posting and I don't like anyone to have hard feelings on it - except kooks who don't know how to have fun. I can't help them.
Steve, Ami, come on, make nice. You're both nice guys in real life! This is my posting and I don't like anyone to have hard feelings on it - except kooks who don't know how to have fun. I can't help them. Ami, You have obviously never…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-03-31:502551:Comment:6104082009-03-31T19:20:25.135ZSteve Delaneyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/SJDelaney
Ami, You have obviously never bought a lemon or been through a divorce. I congratulate you on both<br />
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But quote "Average recruiters tell their candidate the job is great and they're gonna love it. Top recruiters help their candidates say 'The job is great and I'm gonna love it!' " pretty much sums up the jist of this conversation.<br />
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As I have read this trough, and many similar blogs that you've taken part in, I fail to see where the candidate is considered anything but a "Star performer" or an…
Ami, You have obviously never bought a lemon or been through a divorce. I congratulate you on both<br />
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But quote "Average recruiters tell their candidate the job is great and they're gonna love it. Top recruiters help their candidates say 'The job is great and I'm gonna love it!' " pretty much sums up the jist of this conversation.<br />
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As I have read this trough, and many similar blogs that you've taken part in, I fail to see where the candidate is considered anything but a "Star performer" or an idiot. There seems to be no in-between with you.<br />
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Regardless, Amitai, I've learned my lesson. In the future I'm staying away from any blog you take a part in.<br />
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<cite>Amitai Givertz said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/recruiting-propaganda-and?id=502551%3ATopic%3A609579&page=2#502551Comment609806"><div><blockquote>Is the point of recruiting to treat candidates as unwitting victims, as fools for the taking? No wonder people have low regard for recruiters.</blockquote>
<br/>No. Who said that? You're erroneous conclusion is what perpetuates negative stereotyping not any assertion that I've made.<br/><br/>Also, I would like to suggest that anyone who would prefer to refashion the popular stereotypes about their profession would do well not to perpetuate the stereotyping of others. Used-car salesmen and divorce attorneys perform services to society equal to that of a recruiter. I might add they too have the same problems realizing an examination of truth is a first step to developing the trust-worthiness that marks a true professional from the riff-raff.<br/><br/>I shall leave it here by inviting you to read the preceding thread, follow the links and think it through. You might conclude that rather than candidates being "unwitting victims," average/lame recruiters are the unwitting victims of their individual weaknesses and self-deception.<br/><br/><cite>Steve Delaney said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/recruiting-propaganda-and?page=2&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A609788&x=1#502551Comment609788"><div>Is the point of recruiting to treat candidates as unwitting victims, as fools for the taking?<br/>No wonder people have low regard for recruiters. You might as well be used car salesmen - or divorce attorneys. -sjd</div>
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</blockquote> Craig Fisher said: I never sa…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-03-31:502551:Comment:6103902009-03-31T19:11:28.728ZRecruiting Animalhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/canadianheadhunter
<a href="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/recruiting-propaganda-and?page=3&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A610381&x=1#502551Comment610381">Craig Fisher said:</a> <i>I never said.... yadda yadda yadda</i><br />
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Save it for tomorrow, buddy. You weren't clear at all.
<a href="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/recruiting-propaganda-and?page=3&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A610381&x=1#502551Comment610381">Craig Fisher said:</a> <i>I never said.... yadda yadda yadda</i><br />
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Save it for tomorrow, buddy. You weren't clear at all. Ah, now I see. I never said e…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-03-31:502551:Comment:6103812009-03-31T19:06:44.459ZCraig Fisherhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/CraigFisher
Ah, now I see. I never said every employee or every day routine (or did I). And I certainly don't think this much time should be spent in a discussion group. I spend a great deal of time on the phone. That doesn't mean I can't type and actively listen at the same time. Is that duplicitous? We can discuss that on the show tomorrow. I have work to do.<br />
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<cite>Recruiting Animal said:…</cite>
Ah, now I see. I never said every employee or every day routine (or did I). And I certainly don't think this much time should be spent in a discussion group. I spend a great deal of time on the phone. That doesn't mean I can't type and actively listen at the same time. Is that duplicitous? We can discuss that on the show tomorrow. I have work to do.<br />
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<cite>Recruiting Animal said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/recruiting-propaganda-and?id=502551%3ATopic%3A609579&page=2#502551Comment609803"><div><a href="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/recruiting-propaganda-and?page=2&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A609788&x=1#502551Comment609786">Jerry Jerry said: (more or less)</a> <i>Ah shore wish ah could make a livin' outa sitting round jawin' bout recruitin'. But so far - them checks ain't appearing too regularly.</i><br/><br/>Jerry is in his subtle, non-offensive way putting forward the idea that a productive recruiter should be on the phone not on line. And that time spent on social media discussion groups should be sharply curtailed.<br/><br/>But there's a guy on the Recruiting Animal Show tomorrow, <a href="http://www.fishdogs.com">Mr Fishdogs</a>, who claims that social media activity should be part of every employee's daily routine.</div>
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