Self employed? Why? - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-29T07:27:07Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/self-employed-why?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A793886&feed=yes&xn_auth=noRobin,
Truer words were neve…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-01:502551:Comment:8137722009-12-01T19:05:23.046ZBill Wardhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/BillWard92
Robin,<br />
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Truer words were never spoken. Agencies churn and burn everyone. If you're successful in that environment, it's even harder to move to another firm because suddenly your book of business becomes theirs or another tenured recruiters "owns" that account.<br />
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<cite>Robin Eads said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/self-employed-why#502551Comment794437"><div><cite>Barbara Ling said:…</cite></div>
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Robin,<br />
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Truer words were never spoken. Agencies churn and burn everyone. If you're successful in that environment, it's even harder to move to another firm because suddenly your book of business becomes theirs or another tenured recruiters "owns" that account.<br />
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<cite>Robin Eads said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/self-employed-why#502551Comment794437"><div><cite>Barbara Ling said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/self-employed-why#502551Comment794233"><div>I need to comment; I've never had a problem creating wealth for anyone so long as it was ALSO creating wealth for me!<br/> <br/> 'course, if the second part wasn't true...then yes, big problems would emerge.<br/>
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<cite>Maureen Sharib said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/self-employed-why?page=1&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A794222&x=1#502551Comment794222"><div>Robin:<br/> One more thing abt my mom.<br/> She told me if someone is willing to give you a paycheck you're not only creating that paycheck for yourself you're also creating wealth for them. Why give it away?<br/> <br/>
Interesting that all the respondents so far in this string are women.</div>
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Barbara: My efforts were well rewarded for short periods. In my experience, agencies typically want you until you're a top producer then cut you loose and keep what you've brought to the table without having to share. The longest this "cycle" ever lasted was 5 years and I thought I'd found the promised land of recruiting. Until one day, out of the blue, I was laid off. Over the phone, no less. Klassy.<br/>
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Maybe that's just the way the agency world works here in Tampa but I don't trust a single one of them so who do you work for when that happens? Right. Yourself. :) Maureen, your mom sounds wise. :)</div>
</blockquote> My decision to start my own f…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-01:502551:Comment:8136272009-12-01T12:39:49.423ZKrista Bradfordhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/KristaBradford
My decision to start my own firm was prompted by a desire to pursue a new career path. The television news business was in decline, audiences were fragmenting, advertising revenues were shrinking along with funding to do serious journalism. The writing was on the wall . . . A friend suggested recruiting and I haven't looked back. My investigative background gave me a distinct advantage. After working at a retained firm, I honestly believed that "there must to be a better way!" I set out to find…
My decision to start my own firm was prompted by a desire to pursue a new career path. The television news business was in decline, audiences were fragmenting, advertising revenues were shrinking along with funding to do serious journalism. The writing was on the wall . . . A friend suggested recruiting and I haven't looked back. My investigative background gave me a distinct advantage. After working at a retained firm, I honestly believed that "there must to be a better way!" I set out to find out what that was, and by George, <a href="http://www.thegoodsearchllc.com" target="_blank">I think we've found it</a>. I don't think I would ever work for another company again. Quite simply, working for another firm, you can get fired or laid off. So essentially, you're always just one step away from financial ruin. Running a business, you spread that risk across multiple clients. You're not dependent on a single one. Moreover, company ownership may be a lot of work, but it offers a direct path to wealth creation. Hi,
I'd always wanted to wor…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-01:502551:Comment:8136182009-12-01T12:14:32.342ZCatherine Gamblehttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/CatherineGamble
Hi,<br />
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I'd always wanted to work for myself but had become a bit of a wage slave. I'd always been a successful consultant but it did start to grate when I made my former company 162500 and took home around 35K (pounds not dollar!) but, I carried on bills bills bills!<br />
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Then after 6 or so years in recruitment I had 2 kids in close succession; I was on maternity leave with my 2nd child and suddenly I had time (well as much as you do with a 22 month old and 8 month old) but most importantly no money…
Hi,<br />
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I'd always wanted to work for myself but had become a bit of a wage slave. I'd always been a successful consultant but it did start to grate when I made my former company 162500 and took home around 35K (pounds not dollar!) but, I carried on bills bills bills!<br />
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Then after 6 or so years in recruitment I had 2 kids in close succession; I was on maternity leave with my 2nd child and suddenly I had time (well as much as you do with a 22 month old and 8 month old) but most importantly no money was coming in from me and we were managing - so suddenly i'm not a wage slave (oh the liberation).<br />
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So I set up - working from home - making a basic website <a href="http://www.recruitone.co.uk" target="_blank">www.recruitone.co.uk</a>, setting up terms and conditions, a business number, headed paper, business bank account etc - that was pretty much it. I found a candidate - interviewed them and began to make contact with business. I still LOVE the simplicity of recruitment.<br />
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So I feel very lucky to be working for myself on my own terms; for me it was a case of waiting patiently for the right time and recognising when was an opportune moment. I heard a great phrase - luck happens when preperation meets opportunity. I totally believe that. Like many others who have pos…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-11-30:502551:Comment:8132702009-11-30T17:11:24.007ZSarah Pickhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/SarahPick
Like many others who have posted, I stumbled into being self-employed (consulting). In a way, a recession or downturn or being laid off can help you catalyze your career. In early 80's, I was laid off from ad agency (real-estate & banking downturn) & realized it would be harder for me to find a new agency position than it would be for me to try to get my own clients.<br />
At three different points, I went out on my own (consulting is a low-cost, low overhead venture & I recommend it to…
Like many others who have posted, I stumbled into being self-employed (consulting). In a way, a recession or downturn or being laid off can help you catalyze your career. In early 80's, I was laid off from ad agency (real-estate & banking downturn) & realized it would be harder for me to find a new agency position than it would be for me to try to get my own clients.<br />
At three different points, I went out on my own (consulting is a low-cost, low overhead venture & I recommend it to everyone). So much that seems insurmountable, becomes clearer just by doing - setting rates, figuring out your best prospects & getting them to pay you. Then, at three different points, I went "in-house" & started working for a consulting client. In all three situations, I'm sure I would not have been hired if I had applied or responded to an ad & sent in my resume. Often, small businesses don't know what they want from marketing role & then once they start working w/ someone who generates results, they realize what can be accomplished. If anyone is interested in this topic, I highly recommend "Escape from Cubicle Nation" - Pam Slim's blog & Twitter & her book. She totally gets that whole transition & getting started mindset ("being fed up with your job is not a business plan" - one of her gems).<br />
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There's nothing wrong with benefits & working at a fulltime job. I've just found that being self-employed at different points is a marvelously freeing feeling. If you've ever regrouped after being laid off or choosing to leave a bad work situation to consult for yourself, you know the path to building that "brand you."<br />
Good luck to all who try this path! what a great conversation! in…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-11-30:502551:Comment:8132352009-11-30T15:36:42.635ZAmbrish Kochikarhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/AmbrishKochikar
what a great conversation! incredible stories, everyone. i haven't taken flight yet, but who knows..maybe the wings are stronger and the air better than i lead myself to believe.<br />
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@Jacqueline - i relate to most of what you've shared. creating a smarter, more efficient work place is a pretty thankless job, unless you're working with a great manager and a far sighted principal/business owner.<br />
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@KarenM - your comments were equal parts hilarious and smart. enjoyed reading them. thanks!<br />
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Happy…
what a great conversation! incredible stories, everyone. i haven't taken flight yet, but who knows..maybe the wings are stronger and the air better than i lead myself to believe.<br />
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@Jacqueline - i relate to most of what you've shared. creating a smarter, more efficient work place is a pretty thankless job, unless you're working with a great manager and a far sighted principal/business owner.<br />
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@KarenM - your comments were equal parts hilarious and smart. enjoyed reading them. thanks!<br />
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Happy Monday! OK I suppose I need to put a…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-11-17:502551:Comment:7945462009-11-17T22:06:39.002ZDan Nuroohttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/DanNuroo
OK I suppose I need to put a little testoserone to the discussion Maureen, although I'm probably not best qualified. I set up on my "own" for a little while, out of necessity I suppose. I got laid off from an agency at the height of the tech wreck, and essentially I didn't want to work for another one with antiquated metrics and some dumb rules, micro-managing my day to day movements. So I thought I'd do it myself.<br />
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Worked well to start off with, as I took time to figure out what I really…
OK I suppose I need to put a little testoserone to the discussion Maureen, although I'm probably not best qualified. I set up on my "own" for a little while, out of necessity I suppose. I got laid off from an agency at the height of the tech wreck, and essentially I didn't want to work for another one with antiquated metrics and some dumb rules, micro-managing my day to day movements. So I thought I'd do it myself.<br />
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Worked well to start off with, as I took time to figure out what I really wanted to do, made some placements and some good cash, amazing how much money comes in when the whole fee comes to you isn't it.<br />
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However I wussed out I suppose, was thinking of starting a family, needed to be able to guarantee an income, so I found a corporate role, and have been here ever since... Probably not making anywhere near the money I would have, but kept a guaranteed cheque coming in every week... I think I'd bought into the Agency = evil, blood suckers ideal that gets peddled around a bit.<br />
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Whilst no regrets always the thought of what could have been. Ooooh Robin, That hurts!
I kn…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-11-17:502551:Comment:7944402009-11-17T18:19:16.092ZFran Hoganhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/FranHolm
Ooooh Robin, That hurts!<br />
I know there are plenty of use em up and throw them away agencies out there but don't do the same thing the outsiders do and paint us all with the same brush!<br />
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Over the years I've employed up to 4 people at a time...that was the largest I ever grew. I can proudly say that I am still friends with most of them. One moved to Buenos Aries over 20 years ago and we still visit each other across that distance. One became a lawyer and we are still good friends after 15 years,…
Ooooh Robin, That hurts!<br />
I know there are plenty of use em up and throw them away agencies out there but don't do the same thing the outsiders do and paint us all with the same brush!<br />
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Over the years I've employed up to 4 people at a time...that was the largest I ever grew. I can proudly say that I am still friends with most of them. One moved to Buenos Aries over 20 years ago and we still visit each other across that distance. One became a lawyer and we are still good friends after 15 years, and I could go on.<br />
The best producers became my best friends and usually left when there was a divorce, pregnancies or a relocation. The more they made the more I made and we were all happy. I also tried to provide all the tools, seminars, conferences and expenses they needed to make money without worrying about cost. If it helped them to make placements we all won.<br />
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These days I work alone with just part time help to research and do administrative work. A lot less expensive and I'm only responsible for myself.<br />
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The agency world is a big one and some of us are "good guys/women" :-) Barbara Ling said:I need to c…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-11-17:502551:Comment:7944372009-11-17T17:53:03.341ZRobin Eadshttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/RobinEads
<cite>Barbara Ling said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/self-employed-why#502551Comment794233"><div>I need to comment; I've never had a problem creating wealth for anyone so long as it was ALSO creating wealth for me!<br></br> <br></br> 'course, if the second part wasn't true...then yes, big problems would emerge.<br></br>
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<cite>Barbara Ling said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/self-employed-why#502551Comment794233"><div>I need to comment; I've never had a problem creating wealth for anyone so long as it was ALSO creating wealth for me!<br/> <br/>
'course, if the second part wasn't true...then yes, big problems would emerge.<br/>
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<cite>Maureen Sharib said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/self-employed-why?page=1&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A794222&x=1#502551Comment794222"><div>Robin:<br/> One more thing abt my mom.<br/> She told me if someone is willing to give you a paycheck you're not only creating that paycheck for yourself you're also creating wealth for them. Why give it away?<br/>
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Interesting that all the respondents so far in this string are women.</div>
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Barbara: My efforts were well rewarded for short periods. In my experience, agencies typically want you until you're a top producer then cut you loose and keep what you've brought to the table without having to share. The longest this "cycle" ever lasted was 5 years and I thought I'd found the promised land of recruiting. Until one day, out of the blue, I was laid off. Over the phone, no less. Klassy.<br />
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Maybe that's just the way the agency world works here in Tampa but I don't trust a single one of them so who do you work for when that happens? Right. Yourself. :) Maureen, your mom sounds wise. :) I guess for me I have always…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-11-17:502551:Comment:7943712009-11-17T15:22:28.128ZJacqueline Bozorgihttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JacquelineBozorgi237
I guess for me I have always been into business development. I would work for some companies that would appall me with their methodologies, the lack of efficiency in their system, lack of ethics, etc. Quite a few years ago I managed an office that I revamped to work more efficiently, spent many off hours changing certain things, but according to my co-workers what I was doing was unnecessary. They didn't seem to understand why I spent all this time doing this, when it doesn't immediately…
I guess for me I have always been into business development. I would work for some companies that would appall me with their methodologies, the lack of efficiency in their system, lack of ethics, etc. Quite a few years ago I managed an office that I revamped to work more efficiently, spent many off hours changing certain things, but according to my co-workers what I was doing was unnecessary. They didn't seem to understand why I spent all this time doing this, when it doesn't immediately benefit me- it only benefited the organization I was working for. I realized that I really liked helping <i>other</i> businesses out, and that the best way I could do so was through the employees that are hired. I need to comment; I've never…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-11-17:502551:Comment:7942332009-11-17T14:02:54.857ZBarbara Linghttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/BarbaraLing
I need to comment; I've never had a problem creating wealth for anyone so long as it was ALSO creating wealth for me!<br />
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'course, if the second part wasn't true...then yes, big problems would emerge.<br />
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<cite>Maureen Sharib said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/self-employed-why?page=1&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A794222&x=1#502551Comment794222"><div>Robin:<br></br> One more thing abt my mom.<br></br> She told me if someone is willing to give you a paycheck…</div>
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I need to comment; I've never had a problem creating wealth for anyone so long as it was ALSO creating wealth for me!<br />
<br />
'course, if the second part wasn't true...then yes, big problems would emerge.<br />
<br />
<cite>Maureen Sharib said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/self-employed-why?page=1&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A794222&x=1#502551Comment794222"><div>Robin:<br/> One more thing abt my mom.<br/>
She told me if someone is willing to give you a paycheck you're not only creating that paycheck for yourself you're also creating wealth for them. Why give it away?<br/>
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Interesting that all the respondents so far in this string are women.</div>
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