Submitting Candidates when ONE is already set to interview - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-28T21:21:41Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/submitting-candidates-when-one-is-already-set-to-interview?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A1626344&feed=yes&xn_auth=noPeter I hope you realize you'…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-11-30:502551:Comment:16277602012-11-30T23:13:37.488ZJoshua Leehttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JoshuaLee
<p>Peter I hope you realize you're the one who's beating the horse. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Peter Ceccarelli said:</cite></p>
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<p>Peter I hope you realize you're the one who's beating the horse. <br/> <br/> <cite>Peter Ceccarelli said:</cite></p>
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</blockquote> Joshua.............albeit he…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-11-30:502551:Comment:16278982012-11-30T22:52:57.769ZPeter Ceccarellihttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/PeterCeccarelli
<p>Joshua.............albeit he did pull a racial slur on you, which is never acceptable..........however stop beating a dead horse once it's dead. It's beyond annoying!</p>
<p>Joshua.............albeit he did pull a racial slur on you, which is never acceptable..........however stop beating a dead horse once it's dead. It's beyond annoying!</p> Peter you have a right. I ma…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-11-29:502551:Comment:16270752012-11-29T22:29:08.545ZJoshua Leehttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JoshuaLee
<p>Peter you have a right. I made my peace. Just read the entire string from top to bottom. You right on some elements of maybe going off a little too far with my comments but the essence is still true and echoed (in a more PC fashion) by most of the others. </p>
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<p>As a matter of fact.... where are you coming from all of a sudden so personally offended? Who are you? (rhetorical). </p>
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<p>By the way, you didn't see his racist comments either did you? You really don't see…</p>
<p>Peter you have a right. I made my peace. Just read the entire string from top to bottom. You right on some elements of maybe going off a little too far with my comments but the essence is still true and echoed (in a more PC fashion) by most of the others. </p>
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<p>As a matter of fact.... where are you coming from all of a sudden so personally offended? Who are you? (rhetorical). </p>
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<p>By the way, you didn't see his racist comments either did you? You really don't see the full story. I see several comments were deleted. Oh well. You only know what you know and you don't know what you don't know.</p> Joshua......at 12 years in th…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-11-29:502551:Comment:16271992012-11-29T21:34:16.647ZPeter Ceccarellihttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/PeterCeccarelli
<p>Joshua......at 12 years in this industry, you're still a newbie in my opinion. And you're certainly acting like one through your tone and comments. There are a lot of us who have been doing this far longer than you (at big huge, international companies and all.......just like you)........and those of us who maintain long term careers are here because we're not arrogant or feel like we have something to prove.</p>
<p>Your posts are incredibly unprofessional and insulting to the entire…</p>
<p>Joshua......at 12 years in this industry, you're still a newbie in my opinion. And you're certainly acting like one through your tone and comments. There are a lot of us who have been doing this far longer than you (at big huge, international companies and all.......just like you)........and those of us who maintain long term careers are here because we're not arrogant or feel like we have something to prove.</p>
<p>Your posts are incredibly unprofessional and insulting to the entire recruiting field. Just turning around your words. And if you're having a bad day and need to rant, we're all good with that, but just let us know up front. But insulting another for the sake of insulting (I didn't pick up anything remotely close to what would be called "coaching" in your comments to Mike), so why say anything at all? Just thought I'd call you out on that. I call this coaching! Filter buddy. Find and use your filter!</p> Thanks Pam. pam claughton sa…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-11-29:502551:Comment:16265062012-11-29T00:40:10.122ZMikehttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MichaelMartin339
<p>Thanks Pam.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>pam claughton said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/submitting-candidates-when-one-is-already-set-to-interview?xg_source=msg_com_forum&id=502551%3ATopic%3A1626065&page=3#502551Comment1626383"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>It sounds like you have worked with this client before so know how they typically go, that's a key factor. </p>
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<p>Do you have this search exclusively? That's the…</p>
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<p>Thanks Pam.<br/> <br/> <cite>pam claughton said:</cite></p>
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<p>It sounds like you have worked with this client before so know how they typically go, that's a key factor. </p>
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<p>Do you have this search exclusively? That's the most important question here. If you don't send the other qualified candidate you run the big risk that someone else will. </p>
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<p>Has this client talked to many other candidates? Another reason you may want to at least submit the other candidate is in case they don't love your candidate when they meet in-person and maybe someone will ask, "this guy is ok, but who else do we have to compare to?" The majority of my clients tend to want to have 2 or 3 finalists before they decide. </p>
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<p>Here's what I'd suggest, and what I recently did in a similar situation, I submitted the backup candidate and just said to my client, "fyi, I submitted another person. I know you are excited about Jane, but just in case that doesn't pan out, we can then look at Sue.</p>
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<p>And it's a good thing I did, because they're madly in love with Jane who is an outstanding candidate...but Jane is also quite popular and has another offer, for more money, closer to home, higher level....so not looking as good for my offer. If this doesn't close, we can quickly move to set up Sue and get others in. Hoping we won't need to, but at least Sue is in there just in case. As an fyi, Jane totally wanted my company and salary wasn't an issue....until it was when this other offer surfaced. You never know, and things can change on a dime, especially in this market. We are starting to see lots of multiple offers. Which is another reason to submit the candidate.</p>
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<p>Hope that helps....Good luck!</p>
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</blockquote> Hi Mike,
It sounds like you h…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-11-29:502551:Comment:16263832012-11-29T00:28:51.790Zpam claughtonhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/pamclaughton
<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>It sounds like you have worked with this client before so know how they typically go, that's a key factor. </p>
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<p>Do you have this search exclusively? That's the most important question here. If you don't send the other qualified candidate you run the big risk that someone else will. </p>
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<p>Has this client talked to many other candidates? Another reason you may want to at least submit the other candidate is in case they don't love your candidate when they…</p>
<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>It sounds like you have worked with this client before so know how they typically go, that's a key factor. </p>
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<p>Do you have this search exclusively? That's the most important question here. If you don't send the other qualified candidate you run the big risk that someone else will. </p>
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<p>Has this client talked to many other candidates? Another reason you may want to at least submit the other candidate is in case they don't love your candidate when they meet in-person and maybe someone will ask, "this guy is ok, but who else do we have to compare to?" The majority of my clients tend to want to have 2 or 3 finalists before they decide. </p>
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<p>Here's what I'd suggest, and what I recently did in a similar situation, I submitted the backup candidate and just said to my client, "fyi, I submitted another person. I know you are excited about Jane, but just in case that doesn't pan out, we can then look at Sue.</p>
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<p>And it's a good thing I did, because they're madly in love with Jane who is an outstanding candidate...but Jane is also quite popular and has another offer, for more money, closer to home, higher level....so not looking as good for my offer. If this doesn't close, we can quickly move to set up Sue and get others in. Hoping we won't need to, but at least Sue is in there just in case. As an fyi, Jane totally wanted my company and salary wasn't an issue....until it was when this other offer surfaced. You never know, and things can change on a dime, especially in this market. We are starting to see lots of multiple offers. Which is another reason to submit the candidate.</p>
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<p>Hope that helps....Good luck!</p> You dont know me or my positi…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-11-29:502551:Comment:16264312012-11-29T00:23:20.707ZMikehttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MichaelMartin339
<p>You dont know me or my position, so dont assume .. this thread was to get opinions and yours clearly doesnt matter .. wanna grab lunch tomorrow on me? ill apologize in advance, whats your favorite chinese restaurant? <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Joshua Lee said:…</cite></p>
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<p>You dont know me or my position, so dont assume .. this thread was to get opinions and yours clearly doesnt matter .. wanna grab lunch tomorrow on me? ill apologize in advance, whats your favorite chinese restaurant? <br/> <br/> <cite>Joshua Lee said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/submitting-candidates-when-one-is-already-set-to-interview?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A1626266&xg_source=msg_com_forum#502551Comment1626343"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>The more you talk the more you show. I know who the real recruiters are on this site</p>
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</blockquote> After all this - my money is…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-11-28:502551:Comment:16262742012-11-28T20:26:32.358ZJerry Albrighthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JerryAlbright
<p>After all this - my money is on "Sorry for the delay in getting feedback to you Mike. We've made some shifts in our workload - and decided to promote someone internally. Thank you for all your help."</p>
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<p>After all this - my money is on "Sorry for the delay in getting feedback to you Mike. We've made some shifts in our workload - and decided to promote someone internally. Thank you for all your help."</p>
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<p>#Sarcasm</p>
<p> </p> Amy - you're right about the…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-11-28:502551:Comment:16263462012-11-28T20:17:54.657ZJoshua Leehttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JoshuaLee
<p>Amy - you're right about the distraction but its ill placed in the present conversation. Your situation is advanced. This conversation is superficial at best. Look at the original post, look at the words and the context. It's clear. He's a novice and excited about "one" interview. I mean..... really. Apples and oranges compared to the deep relationship and history you've already had with your client. You can throw these rules out the window once you've gotten to the stage where you…</p>
<p>Amy - you're right about the distraction but its ill placed in the present conversation. Your situation is advanced. This conversation is superficial at best. Look at the original post, look at the words and the context. It's clear. He's a novice and excited about "one" interview. I mean..... really. Apples and oranges compared to the deep relationship and history you've already had with your client. You can throw these rules out the window once you've gotten to the stage where you have an established practice and senior enough to make valid judgment calls and most of all have a solid relationship with your clients so you know exactly how they operate. This is not that case....its quite clear.<br/> <br/> <cite>Amy Ala said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/submitting-candidates-when-one-is-already-set-to-interview?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A1626266&xg_source=msg_com_forum#502551Comment1626082"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Sigh. Joshua, I normally agree with you but I think you're being rather mean... not sure where that's coming from.</p>
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<p>Let's look at what we do know - Mike says he's got a guy going for an in-person (assuming final) interview, in which 9 times out of 10 an offer is made. He's asking (a valid question, IMO) should he send another candidate? The potential downside is the client could be the type that gets distracted by "shiny new candidates". Great candidate in the hand (the interviewee) another great candidate in the bush (the submittal), oooh what's behind door number three??? and now the client is waiting to pull the trigger because if these two or so good who knows what else I could find if I keep taking submittals??</p>
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<p>I suppose it's possible I'm the only recruiter ever who has had this happen... but it has happened. The bottom line is you have to know your client. Bill makes an excellent point - he's up front through the entire process that he will continue to submit. That's perfectly reasonable, but so is waiting a day or two until an "almost but not quite sure thing" plays itself out.</p>
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</blockquote> :) Glad you joined in the co…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-11-28:502551:Comment:16263442012-11-28T20:13:23.150ZJoshua Leehttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JoshuaLee
<p>:) Glad you joined in the conversation but at this point..... its like beating a dead horse. Just coming to realize what this is all about.... the guy already has his mind made up. He'll learn some day. </p>
<p><br></br> <cite>Jerry Albright said:…</cite></p>
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<p>:) Glad you joined in the conversation but at this point..... its like beating a dead horse. Just coming to realize what this is all about.... the guy already has his mind made up. He'll learn some day. </p>
<p><br/> <cite>Jerry Albright said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/submitting-candidates-when-one-is-already-set-to-interview?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A1626266&xg_source=msg_com_forum#502551Comment1626266"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>We've uncovered a few industry facts here - and one of them is a biggie: <strong>We can not predict anything.</strong> </p>
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<p>What you have is a sendout Mike. Don't ring up the credit cards just yet. It is nothing more than a "possible" offer. At that point you will then have just that, an offer. </p>
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<p>So what's the problem here? </p>
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<p>Until you have an offer for your candidate (and an acceptance....and a start date....and an invoice.....and a payment....) you've got "a shot" at those things happening.</p>
<p><br/>Why not take 2 shots?</p>
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<p>Or better yet - oh no! Here I go!</p>
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<p>Why don't you ask your client? "Hey, Larry. I'm torn here. I know you're pretty pumped up about Jane's interview Monday - but I've uncovered a sharp guy that is also right on target. Which way would you like to go?"</p>
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<p>A rule I learned a few decades ago still holds true: <strong>If your client is still taking sendouts - they better be yours!</strong> </p>
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