Wednesday Wisdom: Do you Tattoo? - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-29T02:11:07Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-do-you-tattoo?id=502551%3ATopic%3A696069&feed=yes&xn_auth=noSo does that mean I should ta…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-06-30:502551:Comment:7005932009-06-30T23:43:09.089ZPeter Ceccarellihttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/PeterCeccarelli
So does that mean I should take my naked picture off of Facebook then? Darn!
So does that mean I should take my naked picture off of Facebook then? Darn! Dear Sarah-
Landlubber jeans…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-06-30:502551:Comment:7002872009-06-30T16:17:27.013ZSteve Levyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Dieselevy
Dear Sarah-<br />
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Landlubber jeans with button down fly - loved them! And I had a mop of hair that no one would believe. Went to my first concert - Elton John...before he came out of the closet.<br />
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The real Woodstock - right on Tom!<br />
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Sarah-and remember, most of these companies who believe tattoos are the work of the Devil also have a high inclusionary diversity policy...go figure!<br />
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Love Mom and Dad<br />
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<cite>Sandra McCartt said:…</cite>
Dear Sarah-<br />
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Landlubber jeans with button down fly - loved them! And I had a mop of hair that no one would believe. Went to my first concert - Elton John...before he came out of the closet.<br />
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The real Woodstock - right on Tom!<br />
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Sarah-and remember, most of these companies who believe tattoos are the work of the Devil also have a high inclusionary diversity policy...go figure!<br />
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Love Mom and Dad<br />
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<cite>Sandra McCartt said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-do-you-tattoo?page=8&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A700268&x=1#502551Comment700207"><div>We thought the same thing in the 60's when we were wearing torn up , hip hugger jeans, long straight hair, peace signs, sandals and no makeup as well as protesting the "establishment", war and trying to get pot legalized. You may be right, we thought we were. "Love beads" were a fashion statement. LOL. non conformist was a household word. You are on target with the rest of it and maybe everybody will be tated and pierced. If you are i can go back to those jeans and love beads. :)<br/> <br/>
<cite>Sarah White said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-do-you-tattoo?page=7&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A700124&x=1#502551Comment700124"><div>Ok everyone - just think logically - in 15 years this all won't matter because those of us that are all tatted and pierced up will be running the show - HA HA Boomers who hate all this stuff....<br/><br/>Having a tat or piercing or manipulation somewhere in your body has nothing to do with how well you can do your job and has everything to do with self expression and individuality. The conformity police that thinks everyone should look/be the same (um...boomers) and then the socialist group wants mommy and daddy (ie Government) to come in and save the world and protect us from being who we want to be.<br/><br/>Moral of the story -<br/>1. This guy just needs to set his profile on FB/Myspace to private like the rest of us do<br/>2. The manager is a pompous jerk who deserves not to get a top employee anyway<br/>3. People on here love to get the chance to talk politics (ie government regs) every chance they get - ITS ABOUT A TATTOO PEOPLE<br/>4. Soon, Gen Y'ers will rule the world and then you will be looked at funny when you come in wearing a suit/tie to an interview (YEA!)</div>
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"A…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-06-30:502551:Comment:7002682009-06-30T16:06:29.025ZTom Dimmickhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/TomDimmick
Crosby, Stills & Nash<br />
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"Almost Cut My Hair"<br />
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The more things change, the more they remain the same.<br />
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Peace - Tom<br />
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<cite>Sandra McCartt said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-do-you-tattoo?id=502551%3ATopic%3A696069&page=8#502551Comment700207"><div>We thought the same thing in the 60's when we were wearing torn up , hip hugger jeans, long straight hair, peace signs, sandals and no makeup as well as protesting the "establishment", war…</div>
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Crosby, Stills & Nash<br />
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"Almost Cut My Hair"<br />
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The more things change, the more they remain the same.<br />
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Peace - Tom<br />
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<cite>Sandra McCartt said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-do-you-tattoo?id=502551%3ATopic%3A696069&page=8#502551Comment700207"><div>We thought the same thing in the 60's when we were wearing torn up , hip hugger jeans, long straight hair, peace signs, sandals and no makeup as well as protesting the "establishment", war and trying to get pot legalized. You may be right, we thought we were. "Love beads" were a fashion statement. LOL. non conformist was a household word. You are on target with the rest of it and maybe everybody will be tated and pierced. If you are i can go back to those jeans and love beads. :)<br/> <br/>
<cite>Sarah White said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-do-you-tattoo?page=7&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A700124&x=1#502551Comment700124"><div>Ok everyone - just think logically - in 15 years this all won't matter because those of us that are all tatted and pierced up will be running the show - HA HA Boomers who hate all this stuff....<br/><br/>Having a tat or piercing or manipulation somewhere in your body has nothing to do with how well you can do your job and has everything to do with self expression and individuality. The conformity police that thinks everyone should look/be the same (um...boomers) and then the socialist group wants mommy and daddy (ie Government) to come in and save the world and protect us from being who we want to be.<br/><br/>Moral of the story -<br/>1. This guy just needs to set his profile on FB/Myspace to private like the rest of us do<br/>2. The manager is a pompous jerk who deserves not to get a top employee anyway<br/>3. People on here love to get the chance to talk politics (ie government regs) every chance they get - ITS ABOUT A TATTOO PEOPLE<br/>4. Soon, Gen Y'ers will rule the world and then you will be looked at funny when you come in wearing a suit/tie to an interview (YEA!)</div>
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</blockquote> Ok everyone - just think logi…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-06-30:502551:Comment:7001242009-06-30T14:18:32.612ZSarah Whitehttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ImSoSarah
Ok everyone - just think logically - in 15 years this all won't matter because those of us that are all tatted and pierced up will be running the show - HA HA Boomers who hate all this stuff....<br />
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Having a tat or piercing or manipulation somewhere in your body has nothing to do with how well you can do your job and has everything to do with self expression and individuality. The conformity police that thinks everyone should look/be the same (um...boomers) and then the socialist group wants mommy…
Ok everyone - just think logically - in 15 years this all won't matter because those of us that are all tatted and pierced up will be running the show - HA HA Boomers who hate all this stuff....<br />
<br />
Having a tat or piercing or manipulation somewhere in your body has nothing to do with how well you can do your job and has everything to do with self expression and individuality. The conformity police that thinks everyone should look/be the same (um...boomers) and then the socialist group wants mommy and daddy (ie Government) to come in and save the world and protect us from being who we want to be.<br />
<br />
Moral of the story -<br />
1. This guy just needs to set his profile on FB/Myspace to private like the rest of us do<br />
2. The manager is a pompous jerk who deserves not to get a top employee anyway<br />
3. People on here love to get the chance to talk politics (ie government regs) every chance they get - ITS ABOUT A TATTOO PEOPLE<br />
4. Soon, Gen Y'ers will rule the world and then you will be looked at funny when you come in wearing a suit/tie to an interview (YEA!) This has been a very interest…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-06-26:502551:Comment:6979112009-06-26T13:56:07.474ZTom Dimmickhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/TomDimmick
This has been a very interesting series of posts. As I see it, we recruiters discriminate all the time. A requirement for a university degree is discriminatory but is not illegal under any present law that I am aware of. I would go so far as to say that one of the reasons we recruiters receive a fee for our services is that we provide a "value added" element to the client's recruiting process; including our ability to discriminate "good" candidates from "unacceptable" candidates.<br />
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The subtle…
This has been a very interesting series of posts. As I see it, we recruiters discriminate all the time. A requirement for a university degree is discriminatory but is not illegal under any present law that I am aware of. I would go so far as to say that one of the reasons we recruiters receive a fee for our services is that we provide a "value added" element to the client's recruiting process; including our ability to discriminate "good" candidates from "unacceptable" candidates.<br />
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The subtle question being asked is what are the limits we as recruiters should place upon ourselves in our efforts to uncover anything that would eliminate a candidate. Notwithstanding all of the merits or demerits of the posts regarding potential legal issues, we as recruiters are obligated to follow Federal, State and Local laws regarding discriminatory practices in employment. I will refrain from trying to articulate all of them for all locations and circumstances. We must be knowledgeable and compliant with those laws.<br />
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I will state that beyond those applicable laws we must make our own determinations. Those determinations may be biased towards candidate advocacy. They may be biased towards the rights and prejudices of the employer. No matter . . . they are our choices to make, reflect our own personal beliefs and are something for which we must be prepared to stand and give answer when challenged.<br />
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As to more government oversight into the employment relationship . . . . My personal position is a resounding "No thank you!" To my mind, there are far too many examples of bad laws being passed, even with the best of intentions and almost no laws being passed eliminating antiquated or overly bureaucratic legal entanglements. The ability to quote "legal"…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-06-26:502551:Comment:6978842009-06-26T12:55:59.316ZSteve Levyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Dieselevy
The ability to quote "legal" verses and post links that have very different meanings notwithstanding, I'm surprised that other than Crispin no one "diverted" to the diversity angle on this. Very surprised...<br />
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I'll reiterate for those who believe every comment is an opportunity to "prove" one's mettle as a "recruiting expert" that diversity is one of the foundational tenets of our profession. How many self-serving hiring managers will wave off a great person for reasons that when uncovered…
The ability to quote "legal" verses and post links that have very different meanings notwithstanding, I'm surprised that other than Crispin no one "diverted" to the diversity angle on this. Very surprised...<br />
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I'll reiterate for those who believe every comment is an opportunity to "prove" one's mettle as a "recruiting expert" that diversity is one of the foundational tenets of our profession. How many self-serving hiring managers will wave off a great person for reasons that when uncovered scream of some form of discrimination? Granted, the CRA in its purest form is about attributes or values that one has no control over - although many would say that religion, among other variables - is a choice.<br />
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The word "expression" is frequently used as in "religious expression"; I can make a strong argument - although others simply won't have it - that my tats are an expression of some form and anyone negating my candidacy because of the tats is practicing discrimination.<br />
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Yet how many companies recruit this way in the looming shadow of their company bragging about their diversity policy? Perhaps asking about a company's diversity policy ahead of time is one way to start. So what's the big deal about…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-06-26:502551:Comment:6978782009-06-26T12:32:18.803ZSteve Levyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Dieselevy
So what's the big deal about tattoos???<br />
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So what's the big deal about tattoos???<br />
<p style="text-align: left;"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1442309016?profile=original" alt="" width="1154" height="769"/></p> I don't know about that - aro…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-06-26:502551:Comment:6978682009-06-26T12:10:26.743ZClaudia Fausthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ClaudiaFaust
I don't know about that - around these parts, the party's been known to go on for <a href="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/digging-into-13" target="_blank">days</a> and <a href="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/is-headhunting-ethical" target="_blank">days</a>...<br />
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<cite>Maureen Sharib said:…</cite>
I don't know about that - around these parts, the party's been known to go on for <a href="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/digging-into-13" target="_blank">days</a> and <a href="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/is-headhunting-ethical" target="_blank">days</a>...<br />
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<cite>Maureen Sharib said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-do-you-tattoo?page=7&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A697859&x=1%23502551Comment697859#502551Comment697859"><div>I have a feeling this free-for-all is over but just in case I wanna sign in so as NOT to miss any updates!</div>
</blockquote> I have a feeling this free-fo…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-06-26:502551:Comment:6978592009-06-26T11:34:37.768ZMaureen Sharibhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MaureenSharib
I have a feeling this free-for-all is over but just in case I wanna sign in so as NOT to miss any updates!
I have a feeling this free-for-all is over but just in case I wanna sign in so as NOT to miss any updates! Hi Peter, we're in the entert…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-06-26:502551:Comment:6978072009-06-26T05:09:21.465ZSlouchhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Slouch
Hi Peter, we're in the entertainment business.<br />
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<cite>Peter Clayton said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-do-you-tattoo?x=1&id=502551%3ATopic%3A696069&page=6#502551Comment697758"><div>Well this certainly has been fun reading!</div>
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Hi Peter, we're in the entertainment business.<br />
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<cite>Peter Clayton said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-do-you-tattoo?x=1&id=502551%3ATopic%3A696069&page=6#502551Comment697758"><div>Well this certainly has been fun reading!</div>
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