Wednesday Wisdom: Elvis has left the building - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-28T11:56:02Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A701324&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noNuts is a figure of speech. I…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-07-01:502551:Comment:7013242009-07-01T23:29:45.506ZPeter Ceccarellihttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/PeterCeccarelli
Nuts is a figure of speech. I could have said it's raining "heavy", "a lot", etc., I guess it's a West Coast sort of thing. I realize you're not taking "nuts" literally, but wanted to clarify for the sake of clarifying.<br />
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<cite>Steve Levy said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has?id=502551%3ATopic%3A700769&page=2#502551Comment701260"><div>Peter...nuts? lmao re:Christie's-ttys<br></br><br></br><cite>Peter Ceccarelli said:…</cite></div>
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Nuts is a figure of speech. I could have said it's raining "heavy", "a lot", etc., I guess it's a West Coast sort of thing. I realize you're not taking "nuts" literally, but wanted to clarify for the sake of clarifying.<br />
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<cite>Steve Levy said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has?id=502551%3ATopic%3A700769&page=2#502551Comment701260"><div>Peter...nuts? lmao re:Christie's-ttys<br/><br/><cite>Peter Ceccarelli said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has?page=1&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A701244&x=1#502551Comment701244"><div>And your point is what? I really don't get where you're going with this!<br/><br/>I'm done with this topic. My point was this particular segment, regardless of the candidate or the recruiter was of NO value. This type of stuff does not come up that often. So we're discussing it why????????<br/><br/>Ciao! Understand it's raining like nuts in New York the past month. Sorry about that!<br/><br/><cite>Steve Levy said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has#502551Comment701049"><div>Stephanie and Peter-<br/><br/>12 succeeded, how many are having a breakdown? What is sad and funny is that the news outlets have been able to push the economy off the front page. Thankfully the Financial Times has gone back to business!<br/><br/>This reaction comes from the same do-do generation that has downloaded more MJ songs in the past 24 hours than in the past 11 years.<br/><br/>What I believe an underlying point here is that relatively new recruiters - ok, older recruiters too - will come to the interview their own idea as to how to assess people's abilities. I suppose these folks recruit because they love people. So stop pushing the "blame"' on the candidate - recruiting is a two way street with equal culpability on both sides.<br/><br/>Not everyone can be a superstar; some people - candidates and recruiters - really are potential future winners of <a href="www.darwinawards.com" target="_blank">Darwin Awards</a>.</div>
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</blockquote> Ok, I'm back in my box again.…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-07-01:502551:Comment:7013132009-07-01T22:51:33.581ZClaudia Fausthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ClaudiaFaust
Ok, I'm back in my box again. :)) No offense taken, btw - as you said, just a bit of honest banter.<br />
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<cite>Peter Ceccarelli said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has?page=2&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A701303&x=1%23502551Comment701303#502551Comment701303"><div>I was replying to a comment that Steve made to me. Didn't mean to offend you, but there is really no other way to reply to another, other than in this way. So you too…</div>
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Ok, I'm back in my box again. :)) No offense taken, btw - as you said, just a bit of honest banter.<br />
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<cite>Peter Ceccarelli said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has?page=2&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A701303&x=1%23502551Comment701303#502551Comment701303"><div>I was replying to a comment that Steve made to me. Didn't mean to offend you, but there is really no other way to reply to another, other than in this way. So you too relax! All is well in honest banter. I'm not holding you accountable for the question, nor personalizing my "thoughts" towards you. Okay!<br/><br/>Thanks!<br/><br/><cite>Claudia Faust said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has#502551Comment701253"><div>Peter my friend, give us a break. The economy is slow. People submit questions, I answer them, and then the "couch" (as Recruiting Animal calls it) add their comments. Call it cheap entertainment...you can always check the little box at the bottom to stop following the thread. Sheesh!<br/><br/>If you don't like the quality of the questions, its ok to submit one of your own (hehehe)... :))<br/><br/><cite>Peter Ceccarelli said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has?page=1&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A701244&x=1%23502551Comment701244#502551Comment701244"><div>This type of stuff does not come up that often. So we're discussing it why??????</div>
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</blockquote> I was replying to a comment t…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-07-01:502551:Comment:7013032009-07-01T22:28:28.271ZPeter Ceccarellihttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/PeterCeccarelli
I was replying to a comment that Steve made to me. Didn't mean to offend you, but there is really no other way to reply to another, other than in this way. So you too relax! All is well in honest banter. I'm not holding you accountable for the question, nor personalizing my "thoughts" towards you. Okay!<br />
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Thanks!<br />
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<cite>Claudia Faust said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has#502551Comment701253"><div>Peter my friend, give us a break.…</div>
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I was replying to a comment that Steve made to me. Didn't mean to offend you, but there is really no other way to reply to another, other than in this way. So you too relax! All is well in honest banter. I'm not holding you accountable for the question, nor personalizing my "thoughts" towards you. Okay!<br />
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Thanks!<br />
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<cite>Claudia Faust said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has#502551Comment701253"><div>Peter my friend, give us a break. The economy is slow. People submit questions, I answer them, and then the "couch" (as Recruiting Animal calls it) add their comments. Call it cheap entertainment...you can always check the little box at the bottom to stop following the thread. Sheesh!<br/><br/>If you don't like the quality of the questions, its ok to submit one of your own (hehehe)... :))<br/><br/><cite>Peter Ceccarelli said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has?page=1&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A701244&x=1%23502551Comment701244#502551Comment701244"><div>This type of stuff does not come up that often. So we're discussing it why??????</div>
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</blockquote> Actually, I think that Thomas…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-07-01:502551:Comment:7012732009-07-01T21:24:17.983ZClaudia Fausthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ClaudiaFaust
Actually, I think that Thomas has hit the bulls-eye in terms of the generic issue buried in this question. Although the situation may be a one-off, we've all seen more than our fair share of candidates (and HMs, for that matter) who lack basic skills of emotional intelligence that can help them "empathize, redirect, and continue," as Thomas so aptly calls it. And that's definitely worth the discussion here among this wizened crowd...<br />
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<cite>Thomas Patrick Chuna said:…</cite>
Actually, I think that Thomas has hit the bulls-eye in terms of the generic issue buried in this question. Although the situation may be a one-off, we've all seen more than our fair share of candidates (and HMs, for that matter) who lack basic skills of emotional intelligence that can help them "empathize, redirect, and continue," as Thomas so aptly calls it. And that's definitely worth the discussion here among this wizened crowd...<br />
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<cite>Thomas Patrick Chuna said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has?page=2&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A701265&x=1%23502551Comment701265#502551Comment701258"><div>If "not a fan" can't empathize, redirect, and continue on during a job interview, what would "not a fan" do if he had to deal with an unhappy customer who was having a negative, emotional reaction to something ? would he call them names too?..he'd probably be ostracized by his co workers and be fired in six months anyway.</div>
</blockquote> Let me take this to another r…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-07-01:502551:Comment:7012652009-07-01T21:13:08.654ZSteve Levyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Dieselevy
Let me take this to another related place - bad recruiters (fer God sakes, it isn't always the candidate who's broken) and their <a href="http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/it-recruiter/10-things-to-hate-about-recruiters-2985" target="_blank">bad habits</a>. If this Michael Jackson recruiter had a reason for asking about the one gloved wonder then they should have said so up front - I don't believe in ambiguous interviews; to me they're akin to bait and switch sales.<br />
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Peter, the sad fact today is that…
Let me take this to another related place - bad recruiters (fer God sakes, it isn't always the candidate who's broken) and their <a href="http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/it-recruiter/10-things-to-hate-about-recruiters-2985" target="_blank">bad habits</a>. If this Michael Jackson recruiter had a reason for asking about the one gloved wonder then they should have said so up front - I don't believe in ambiguous interviews; to me they're akin to bait and switch sales.<br />
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Peter, the sad fact today is that there's an inordinate amount of bad recruiting taking place; if we can't talk about it, who will? Peter...nuts? lmao re:Christi…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-07-01:502551:Comment:7012602009-07-01T20:58:25.922ZSteve Levyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Dieselevy
Peter...nuts? lmao re:Christie's-ttys<br />
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<cite>Peter Ceccarelli said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has?page=1&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A701244&x=1#502551Comment701244"><div>And your point is what? I really don't get where you're going with this!<br></br> <br></br> I'm done with this topic. My point was this particular segment, regardless of the candidate or the recruiter was of NO value. This type of stuff does not come up that…</div>
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Peter...nuts? lmao re:Christie's-ttys<br />
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<cite>Peter Ceccarelli said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has?page=1&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A701244&x=1#502551Comment701244"><div>And your point is what? I really don't get where you're going with this!<br/> <br/>
I'm done with this topic. My point was this particular segment, regardless of the candidate or the recruiter was of NO value. This type of stuff does not come up that often. So we're discussing it why????????<br/>
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Ciao! Understand it's raining like nuts in New York the past month. Sorry about that!<br/>
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<cite>Steve Levy said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has#502551Comment701049"><div>Stephanie and Peter-<br/><br/>12 succeeded, how many are having a breakdown? What is sad and funny is that the news outlets have been able to push the economy off the front page. Thankfully the Financial Times has gone back to business!<br/><br/>This reaction comes from the same do-do generation that has downloaded more MJ songs in the past 24 hours than in the past 11 years.<br/><br/>What I believe an underlying point here is that relatively new recruiters - ok, older recruiters too - will come to the interview their own idea as to how to assess people's abilities. I suppose these folks recruit because they love people. So stop pushing the "blame"' on the candidate - recruiting is a two way street with equal culpability on both sides.<br/><br/>Not everyone can be a superstar; some people - candidates and recruiters - really are potential future winners of <a href="www.darwinawards.com" target="_blank">Darwin Awards</a>.</div>
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</blockquote> Claudia's answer is spot on.…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-07-01:502551:Comment:7012582009-07-01T20:57:15.172ZThomas Patrick Chunahttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ThomasPatrickChuna
Claudia's answer is spot on.<br />
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We deal with people, not machines.<br />
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If "not a fan" can't empathize, redirect, and continue on during a job interview, what would "not a fan" do if he had to deal with an unhappy customer who was having a negative, emotional reaction to something ? would he call them names too?..he'd probably be ostracized by his co workers and be fired in six months anyway.<br />
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There's such a thing as being professionally nice.. "not a fan" has to realize he's an invited guest, and as…
Claudia's answer is spot on.<br />
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We deal with people, not machines.<br />
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If "not a fan" can't empathize, redirect, and continue on during a job interview, what would "not a fan" do if he had to deal with an unhappy customer who was having a negative, emotional reaction to something ? would he call them names too?..he'd probably be ostracized by his co workers and be fired in six months anyway.<br />
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There's such a thing as being professionally nice.. "not a fan" has to realize he's an invited guest, and as such, has to get over himself and play along with the host a little bit.<br />
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Of course, I've done a fair bit of outside sales in my life, so getting along with everyone and moving the process forward is second nature to me.. sadly, many executroids were never told they weren't the most special person in the world, so there is that ego thing to contend with. Peter my friend, give us a br…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-07-01:502551:Comment:7012532009-07-01T20:56:30.057ZClaudia Fausthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ClaudiaFaust
Peter my friend, give us a break. The economy is slow. People submit questions, I answer them, and then the "couch" (as Recruiting Animal calls it) add their comments. Call it cheap entertainment...you can always check the little box at the bottom to stop following the thread. Sheesh!<br />
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If you don't like the quality of the questions, its ok to submit one of your own (hehehe)... :))<br />
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<cite>Peter Ceccarelli said:…</cite>
Peter my friend, give us a break. The economy is slow. People submit questions, I answer them, and then the "couch" (as Recruiting Animal calls it) add their comments. Call it cheap entertainment...you can always check the little box at the bottom to stop following the thread. Sheesh!<br />
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If you don't like the quality of the questions, its ok to submit one of your own (hehehe)... :))<br />
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<cite>Peter Ceccarelli said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has?page=1&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A701244&x=1%23502551Comment701244#502551Comment701244"><div>This type of stuff does not come up that often. So we're discussing it why??????</div>
</blockquote> And your point is what? I rea…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-07-01:502551:Comment:7012442009-07-01T20:39:58.630ZPeter Ceccarellihttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/PeterCeccarelli
And your point is what? I really don't get where you're going with this!<br />
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I'm done with this topic. My point was this particular segment, regardless of the candidate or the recruiter was of NO value. This type of stuff does not come up that often. So we're discussing it why????????<br />
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Ciao! Understand it's raining like nuts in New York the past month. Sorry about that!<br />
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<cite>Steve Levy said:…</cite>
And your point is what? I really don't get where you're going with this!<br />
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I'm done with this topic. My point was this particular segment, regardless of the candidate or the recruiter was of NO value. This type of stuff does not come up that often. So we're discussing it why????????<br />
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Ciao! Understand it's raining like nuts in New York the past month. Sorry about that!<br />
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<cite>Steve Levy said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has#502551Comment701049"><div>Stephanie and Peter-<br/><br/>12 succeeded, how many are having a breakdown? What is sad and funny is that the news outlets have been able to push the economy off the front page. Thankfully the Financial Times has gone back to business!<br/><br/>This reaction comes from the same do-do generation that has downloaded more MJ songs in the past 24 hours than in the past 11 years.<br/><br/>What I believe an underlying point here is that relatively new recruiters - ok, older recruiters too - will come to the interview their own idea as to how to assess people's abilities. I suppose these folks recruit because they love people. So stop pushing the "blame"' on the candidate - recruiting is a two way street with equal culpability on both sides.<br/><br/>Not everyone can be a superstar; some people - candidates and recruiters - really are potential future winners of <a href="www.darwinawards.com" target="_blank">Darwin Awards</a>.</div>
</blockquote> Dahl Face, I'm tawkin' en gen…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-07-01:502551:Comment:7011562009-07-01T19:09:08.048ZSteve Levyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Dieselevy
Dahl Face, I'm tawkin' en general t-herms frum havin bin on bot sides ah da fence...<br />
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Dysfunctionality is everywhere and if all people did was turn their backs on everyone who behaved "differently" then little would ever be accomplished. But coming back to the table has to be a calculated decision.<br />
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Too many recruiters - and candidates - weed out relationships rather than make attempts to build them.<br />
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Human nature, I guess.<br />
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Dahl Face, I'm tawkin' en general t-herms frum havin bin on bot sides ah da fence...<br />
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Dysfunctionality is everywhere and if all people did was turn their backs on everyone who behaved "differently" then little would ever be accomplished. But coming back to the table has to be a calculated decision.<br />
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Too many recruiters - and candidates - weed out relationships rather than make attempts to build them.<br />
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Human nature, I guess.<br />
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<cite>Sandra McCartt said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has?page=1&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A701137&x=1#502551Comment701137"><div>Steve,<br/> I would agree that it is a two way street, however i have seen very few open positions where the company only had or considered one candidate. Yes, Steve , i know that there are situations where a fabulous candidate has more than one opportunity but at least from my perspective employers normally have more options than the candidates do i opine thats more of the burden falls on the candidate to sell themselves in order to get the offer whether they take it or not. Since this candidate states that the expression on his face may have caused the interview to be cut short, this one may be more candidate error albeit the situation is extreme and almost silly.<br/>
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We beat the drum with clients to overlook all kinds of quirks with our candidates so as you say the street runs both ways, but let's not forget who is driving the train in most situations.<br/>
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<cite>Steve Levy said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/forum/topics/wednesday-wisdom-elvis-has?page=1&commentId=502551%3AComment%3A701049&x=1#502551Comment701049"><div>Stephanie and Peter-<br/><br/>12 succeeded, how many are having a breakdown? What is sad and funny is that the news outlets have been able to push the economy off the front page. Thankfully the Financial Times has gone back to business!<br/><br/>This reaction comes from the same do-do generation that has downloaded more MJ songs in the past 24 hours than in the past 11 years.<br/><br/>What I believe an underlying point here is that relatively new recruiters - ok, older recruiters too - will come to the interview their own idea as to how to assess people's abilities. I suppose these folks recruit because they love people. So stop pushing the "blame"' on the candidate - recruiting is a two way street with equal culpability on both sides.<br/><br/>Not everyone can be a superstar; some people - candidates and recruiters - really are potential future winners of <a href="www.darwinawards.com" target="_blank">Darwin Awards</a>.</div>
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