What made you a better recruiter? The Story of Old Joe - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-28T21:21:39Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/what-made-you-a-better-recruiter-the-story-of-old-joe?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A1423605&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWhat made me a better recruit…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-28:502551:Comment:14275572011-09-28T06:34:56.647ZValentino Martinezhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ValentinoMartinez
<div class="description xj_comment_editor" id="desc_502551Comment1427554"><p>What made me a better recruiter was a trial by fire experience…being thrown into an extremely demanding corporate recruiting role...sink or swim. There was no "Old Joe" for me from the perspective of having a seasoned friendly mentor as you shared here, Francois. In fact I experienced the exact opposite. I was positioned to compete with a well established older recruiter (me w/3 yrs experience vs. he w/32 years of…</p>
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<div class="description xj_comment_editor" id="desc_502551Comment1427554"><p>What made me a better recruiter was a trial by fire experience…being thrown into an extremely demanding corporate recruiting role...sink or swim. There was no "Old Joe" for me from the perspective of having a seasoned friendly mentor as you shared here, Francois. In fact I experienced the exact opposite. I was positioned to compete with a well established older recruiter (me w/3 yrs experience vs. he w/32 years of experience). He wasn’t a mentor he was a competitor and as a new hire I was advised that if I didn’t out perform their top recruiter in the span of six months (my probationary period) I would be terminated.</p>
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<p>Well I out performed my internal competitor in six months; and in two years, based on performance, I replaced the Employment and University Relations Manager who opposed my being hired in the first place. That trail by fire experience sharpened me like no mentoring could do. </p>
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<p>When I told my eldest brother of that experience he said he could relate. When he joined the Marines, and was into the training phase in preparation for Vietnam—he said they (the Drill Instructors) threw him and others into a large/deep swimming pool in full combat gear. Problem was my brother never learned how to swim. So, like me he explained, “I had to sink or swim.” </p>
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<p>In line with the theme of this blog--my eldest brother was my mentor very early on (my father was made 100% disabled from the Korean War…so our eldest brother took charge). My eldest brother had me and eventually six other brothers and five sisters doing all kinds of sports—competing between ourselves and the neighborhood kids. He wouldn’t accept anything less than our best—whether we were racing, fighting, working or just playing games. He was notorious for having the brothers and himself challenge passers-by our home to a boxing match. The size and skill of the competitor decided which brother would fight them. It was a tough neighborhood so we saw a lot of action. In that sense, my bro was my mentor and is my hero. He was responsible for my interest in throwing the Discus—I would chase down his when he competed in HS and college. He survived two tours in Vietnam and is 100% disabled today due to the war, his combat related PTSD and other maladies related to exposure to agent orange.</p>
</div> A+ Players (Mendoza, Shally),…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-27:502551:Comment:14268852011-09-27T16:42:14.567ZBrian K. Johnstonhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/BrianKJohnston
A+ Players (Mendoza, Shally), and Ancient Philosophy transcends time/space... Good for You Ben! Brian-<br></br>
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<cite>Ben Tovar said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/what-made-you-a-better-recruiter-the-story-of-old-joe?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A1426880&xg_source=msg_com_forum#502551Comment1426880"><div><p>My "Old Joe" would have to be the previous owner of our firm, along with the VP. Both taught me a lot, being grounded in Christian principles…</p>
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A+ Players (Mendoza, Shally), and Ancient Philosophy transcends time/space... Good for You Ben! Brian-<br/>
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<cite>Ben Tovar said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/what-made-you-a-better-recruiter-the-story-of-old-joe?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A1426880&xg_source=msg_com_forum#502551Comment1426880"><div><p>My "Old Joe" would have to be the previous owner of our firm, along with the VP. Both taught me a lot, being grounded in Christian principles of how to treat others. I needed help, especially since I had ZERO recruiting experience and came from a career in the IT industry. Two others stand out: Shally Steckerl and Dave Mendoza, who helped get me started on LinkedIn and whose advice and tips on other great recruiting tools made life a lot easier.</p>
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</blockquote> My "Old Joe" would have to be…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-27:502551:Comment:14268802011-09-27T16:05:24.041ZBen Tovarhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/btovar
<p>My "Old Joe" would have to be the previous owner of our firm, along with the VP. Both taught me a lot, being grounded in Christian principles of how to treat others. I needed help, especially since I had ZERO recruiting experience and came from a career in the IT industry. Two others stand out: Shally Steckerl and Dave Mendoza, who helped get me started on LinkedIn and whose advice and tips on other great recruiting tools made life a lot easier.</p>
<p>My "Old Joe" would have to be the previous owner of our firm, along with the VP. Both taught me a lot, being grounded in Christian principles of how to treat others. I needed help, especially since I had ZERO recruiting experience and came from a career in the IT industry. Two others stand out: Shally Steckerl and Dave Mendoza, who helped get me started on LinkedIn and whose advice and tips on other great recruiting tools made life a lot easier.</p> Bill are you starting to buy…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-25:502551:Comment:14246632011-09-25T13:11:55.195ZFrancois Guayhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/FrancoisGuay
Bill are you starting to buy into my paranoia? No worries, I will buy the first round.<br></br>
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<cite>Bill Schultz said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/what-made-you-a-better-recruiter-the-story-of-old-joe#502551Comment1424509"><div><p>See some people on this board would perceive that as some sort of veiled threat. But since I have a pair, I say: </p>
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<p>Oh that would be fun. Give me a call, we'll set it up. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Francois Guay…</cite></p>
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Bill are you starting to buy into my paranoia? No worries, I will buy the first round.<br/>
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<cite>Bill Schultz said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/what-made-you-a-better-recruiter-the-story-of-old-joe#502551Comment1424509"><div><p>See some people on this board would perceive that as some sort of veiled threat. But since I have a pair, I say: </p>
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<p>Oh that would be fun. Give me a call, we'll set it up. <br/> <br/> <cite>Francois Guay said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/what-made-you-a-better-recruiter-the-story-of-old-joe?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A1424292&xg_source=activity#502551Comment1424292"><div>Good point Bill. I look forward to meeting you someday.</div>
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</blockquote> "Noel, we have an open positi…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-25:502551:Comment:14245342011-09-25T01:15:08.989ZRecruitingBlogshttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/NoelandTim
<p>"Noel, we have an open position for a General Surgeon in Vermont. Give them all a call and let me know who you get." </p>
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<p>"Yeah"</p>
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<p>"You mean all of the General Surgeons in Vermont?" </p>
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<p>"Well that would be skipping a whole lot of them wouldn't it?" </p>
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<p>My old "Joe" had a way of making you work hard in those days. Now it pays off with all the technology, but those early lessons are what still makes the…</p>
<p>"Noel, we have an open position for a General Surgeon in Vermont. Give them all a call and let me know who you get." </p>
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<p>"Yeah"</p>
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<p>"You mean all of the General Surgeons in Vermont?" </p>
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<p>"Well that would be skipping a whole lot of them wouldn't it?" </p>
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<p>My old "Joe" had a way of making you work hard in those days. Now it pays off with all the technology, but those early lessons are what still makes the placements happen.</p>
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<p>Noel</p> See some people on this board…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-24:502551:Comment:14245092011-09-24T17:37:05.226ZBill Schultzhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/BillSchultz
<p>See some people on this board would perceive that as some sort of veiled threat. But since I have a pair, I say: </p>
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<p>Oh that would be fun. Give me a call, we'll set it up. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Francois Guay said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/what-made-you-a-better-recruiter-the-story-of-old-joe?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A1424292&xg_source=activity#502551Comment1424292"><div>Good point Bill. I look forward to meeting you…</div>
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<p>See some people on this board would perceive that as some sort of veiled threat. But since I have a pair, I say: </p>
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<p>Oh that would be fun. Give me a call, we'll set it up. <br/> <br/>
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<blockquote cite="http://www.recruitingblogs.com/forum/topics/what-made-you-a-better-recruiter-the-story-of-old-joe?commentId=502551%3AComment%3A1424292&xg_source=activity#502551Comment1424292"><div>Good point Bill. I look forward to meeting you someday.</div>
</blockquote> Good point Bill. I look forwa…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-24:502551:Comment:14242922011-09-24T11:10:07.780ZFrancois Guayhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/FrancoisGuay
Good point Bill. I look forward to meeting you someday.
Good point Bill. I look forward to meeting you someday. More doing, less talking abou…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-24:502551:Comment:14242262011-09-24T02:18:52.888ZBill Schultzhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/BillSchultz
More doing, less talking about it, and less whining. That's what works for me. Whining is for wussies and schmucks.
More doing, less talking about it, and less whining. That's what works for me. Whining is for wussies and schmucks. Cheers to OLD JOE!!!
tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-23:502551:Comment:14236692011-09-23T18:08:38.261ZBrian K. Johnstonhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/BrianKJohnston
<p>Cheers to OLD JOE!!!</p>
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<p>Cheers to OLD JOE!!!</p>
<p> </p> "Hell Yeah" from old Josephin…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-23:502551:Comment:14234712011-09-23T17:16:59.627ZSandra McCartthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/SandraMcCartt
"Hell Yeah" from old Josephine. Go get em kids!
"Hell Yeah" from old Josephine. Go get em kids!