d it...and know what you're saying.
Nevertheless, I am for equal and above equal pay for all who earn it. My mom did her Rosie the Riveter stint during WWII, raised twelve hellions to maturity and success and could ride a horse as good or better than her five brothers--true cowboys of old on cattle drives from Texas, New Mexico and Arizona. Like you, my mother and many, many others--there is a merit system that lets cream rise to the top. Yet, there is also a system that ensures a Glass Ceiling and less than equal pay as well.
Sandra McCartt said:
I think it has to a lot to do with women stating that they have a problem with travel and overtime due to kids or husband not wanting them to work overtime or travel. Women bawl in the office when they get upset. Women think sexual harassment is anyone telling them they smell good or they look nice so they are waiting at HR to throw a fit about twice as much as men. Women are catty, petty bitches to work with in an office. Men may gossip as much as women but women are ten times as devious and destructive at throwing someone under the bus as men are.
I supervised an office full of women for years. I would stick needles in my eyes before i would do it again. High maintenance, whiney, petty, moody backstabbing bunch of "i have to leave early today because of blah, blah. Always worried about what somebody else makes or how much work somebody else is or is not doing compared to them. When i hired a team of guys it was a new world of get the job done no matter what it takes ,come early stay late . Everytime i get a call about an office that is having problems with a manager i know within three minutes if the office manager is a woman or man. If it's a woman the first thing said is that everybody bickers all the time and the manager gets too involved with all the petty crap. If it's a man the first thing said is that everybody thinks they should make as much money as their manager and are always coming to the top to gripe about it.
When women start acting like functioning adults, ask what needs to be done and when and quit talking about babies and weddings and needing extra time off and turning on the waterfall, they will be paid as much as men. Not likely to happen anytime soon. If you have ever worked in an office of any size you know exactly what i am talking about. :) I got to be a female, male chauvinist pig by working with a bunch of women. Save me from ever having to live in a room full of cats ever again.
ail store for ten years , I was very successful hiring for them and it was more one on one hiring. it was fun. Decided to look into recruiting for a career.... I took on a Corporate Recruiter position for a credit card processing company...I hire their sales reps... great opportunity. I am paid 15$ hourly, with a bonus of 500$ per hire that I make once they are trained and sign their first deal. The problem is I am trying to hire 100% commission, 1099 independent contractors. On top of that I am hiring sales reps from out of state, once they accept the position they must attend training in CA, we do give $2,000 travel riembursment once they complete the 2 weeks of training, $1,000 given upon completion of training and the other $1,000 upon thier first deal that's signed. Now there are very successful sales reps making $200,000 a year, this is a fact, however this is a hard sale to make to someone.... I do place job postings on craigslist, hotjobs and monster, I don't get many responses being straight commission... I cold call a lot, aprox 30 new prospects a day, and have successfully hired 8 sales reps in a 6 month time frame, 3 of them quit before they signed deal, which ment no bonus for me... I am trying to propose a new pay structure of 1/3 payouts on bonus 1/3 paid when they accept the position, 1/3 paid when they complete training, and the last 1/3 paid when they make their first deal. hopefully this will go thru if anything to boost moral since this is such a let down to put so much effort into recruiting someone who then quits before thier first deal. This is a new department, the company has been around for 10 years but they have hired sales reps before from referrals from current sales reps, when they are hired this way the sales rep that referred them gets 20% of the sales that new rep makes their first year. okay so i believe that is it... what advice do you have to source out someone that would agree to a straight commission/1099 job and the travel for training. Or if you have any advice on posting or my bonus structure that would be great, thanks guys!…
tes "fairness" for employees. The result? Some of the highest unemployment in the country despite having what was once the world's seventh largest economy. That's a pretty strong argument that the regulatory environment of your state has tipped too far past sanity for business owners.
There is a limit as to how much regulation business can take on - and it's clear your state has reached it.
As for your complaints about CEO's - this hogwash of a stimulus bill just gave $1 billion in tax breaks to Paul Allen, the owner of Charter Communications. Meanwhile, small business get next to nothing, except a horde of regulations that make it harder to compete with large corporations. Big companies love regulation - because they have the campaign contributions and access to tweak it in their direction. They have the money to absorb foolish costs.
Small companies live in fear of such government regulations. And for those able, offshoring is the answer. You want jobs in the US? Quit screwing the people who make the jobs!
This thread is about commission only employees. Jason's experience proves our point. There's too much risk in hiring. He still wants to grow, but he's not willing to risk his company to do so. And every hire is a risk that could end your company and bankrupt you. Who in their right mind would hire someone under those conditions? The conditions you want to impose!
Maybe if we had more common sense laws, and less corporate-leaning employment giveaways, he could do the right thing and hire people. Maybe if laws weren't constantly expanded to buy votes giving new "rights" to healthcare, a "living wage" or "fairness" as defined by a bureaucrat who has never held a real job, we wouldn't be facing a long-term slide into permanent 10% unemployment.
Look at France, Germany, and Italy. You know the job you want in those countries? A government job. You don't want to be the underclass there, where 50% of the poor and immigrant are unemployed.
I personally prefer freedom. I don't assume business owners are crooked and employees are noble. But then again, I take responsibility for myself and pay my taxes, mortgage and healthcare insurance. Guess that makes me a sucker in today's economy.…
Added by Jim Durbin at 10:35am on February 22, 2009
ily for months, which never APPEARED?? Why did you have to keep lying to have me work for you??
Jim, you may be more experienced, more equippped with language skills, but the sad news is that you are on the wrong side of truth!
Jim Rosenberger said:Though I said I would not post anything else. Lets get the facts straight. 1. Donna failed to post the letter from my attorney to hers, which there was no response. 2. The law firm says there is no such person at the firm, though I could understand that he may have left, but did he quit being a lawyer? 3. There were only 3 placements. The two other candidates that are referred to were candidates that applied either directly to the company or to us before Eagle submitted them. This was detailed in an email to Donna's recrutier, and we have the acknowlegement, which was in fact part of the documents submitted to the law firm that Donna seems to either omitted, or quite possibly, never paid for the legal services, and the attorney never forwarded them to her.Either way, Now I am Done with This. By the way, I do not post my picture because it just makes the girls crazy!!!!! Just adding a little humor, cause we all need that. The authorities are handling this. I am done. If I really wanted to get technical....she probably owes me money, as the refunded candidate was a much higher fee than the others. By the way, one of the candidates that applied on her own................quit in 26 DaysSandra McCartt said:It looks like to me that this is a poorly written split agreement that justified one party refusing payment to another and the other party not refunding for fallouts. No language as to how fall outs would be handled, no language as to fee schedules and guarantees or guarantee periods and who would do what if placements fell out or if refunds were due or if offset could be used.Here's my take on this deal from what's been presented.Donna referred five candidates who were placed.She was paid on two candidates who fell out before the guarantee period was satisfied.Donna did not refund what she had been paid but provided three more candidates.Jim used Donna's share of one of those candidates to cover refunds or replacements.This would seem to leave two more candidates that Donna referred who were placed that she was not paid her part of the split.If those facts are correct Jim may be correct that the third was a wash for the two who fell out.So how about the other two?How about it Jim, if you owe her for the last two who were placed and didn't fall out how about you pay her?How about it Donna, if you were paid on the first two who fell out how about the third being a make good for the two you got paid for who fell out that you didn't refund on. How about making an attempt to settle with Jim for the last two who didn't fall out instead of ignoring that he paid you for two who fell out.Since your agreement didn't address what would happen in the event of fall outs it turned into a mess. But it would seem to be fair that if Jim took a hit on the two who fell out but you got paid, it would be fair to use the third to make the playing field level. If Jim pissadeared and didn't pay you for the two who didn't fall out it would seem fair that he do so. As attorneys have already been involved i doubt that any resolution will be reached on this deal but it would sure renew my faith in the ability of people to work out the results of a messy agreement without clarification of contingencies.How about some real numbers as to what was paid to Donna for which candidate, which candidates fell out , which candidate was used as a wash and the balance left after the playing field got leveled. Then try for a settlement where both of you walk away thinking you only got popped a little bit. That's a good deal when a mess like this happens.Or i guess due to a messy agreement you both can just continue to sling it in the court of public opinion which ain't good for anybody. Jim can remain accused and questionable , Donna can remain furious. Or everybody can end up in court for one thing or the other. Makes for some interesting reading and a strong reminder of the need for good agreements that address what happens if.....
ilure is mine, not yours." ~ John McCain, November 4, 2008
What do you think failure is?
One of Tuesday’s participants commented, “We all have business images to uphold, no one wants to be honest about the reality of our times.” Do you think that’s true?
Another said, “I think failure here can be looked at as not seeing the market changes, and adjusting accordingly.” What market changes are we seeing and what adjustments can we make?
Vincent Wright is asking, over on the Yahoo group “Linking and the Secret” if you need anyone's permission to "admit" to failure- thoughts? You can visit that discussion here.
Following are excerpts from Tuesday’s MagicMethod class – read them and if you have comments please remember to attend Thursday’s noon (EST) class here.
12:00pm Maureen Sharib Today's subject is about failure...
12:01pm Sam Medalie we all have business images to uphold, no one wants to be honest about the reality of our times
12:02pm Tom Cook You only fail if you give up.
12:03pm Sam Medalie Tom Cook, why don't you tell us how much money you have made in the last 2 weeks
12:04pm Tom Cook Actually I had a good week last week. Got a call from a client I had not heard from since June. They gave me 4 days of work last week at $75/hr.
12:05pm Ed Baldwin What do we mean by "failure" in this session?
12:05pm Tom Cook My business is down almost 50% over the last 6 months - although I have to admit last year was a very good year.
12:07pm Sam Medalie I think failure is the inability to make a good living and thus you have to live off your own money in the bank
12:09pm Ed Baldwin I think failure here can be looked at as not seeing the market changes, and adjusting accordingly. I have noticed that candidates, and clients are not as responsive as they had been in the recent past, so what would anyone garner to be the reason(s)?
12:11pm Tom Cook With the state of the economy people are afraid to make a change even if they really want to. This is going to have a significant impact on our business for several months. Let's not lose sight of the fact that the long term outlook for our industry is still very good. The next 6 months are going to suck but if you like what you are doing and you stick it out - it will be worth it.Success or failure is all a state of mind. If you think you are going to fail, you probably will.
12:21pm Maureen Sharib What in our daily routines as sourcers would lead us to fail?
12:21pm Paul Davenport Right now, many don't even have a field to play on or a team to be a part of.Sourcing is a team sport...we are like the field goal kicker in football...often not celebrated but required to do our job extremely well when called on...we don't celebrate in the touchdown, etc.
12:24pm Maureen Sharib Failure carries a strong taboo-why?
12:25pm Tom Cook No one likes to fail or even admit that they failed
12:25pm Maureen Sharib Times like these see many people start businesses.
12:26pm Maureen Sharib Why don't they want to admit it Tom?
12:26pm Tom Cook Ego is part of it
12:27pm Maureen Sharib Why? Is it embarrassing?
12:27pm Paul Davenport Great Sourcer interview question, "Tell me about your most recent failure. What would you have done differently to achieve a better outcome?"
12:27pm Maureen Sharib So our parents expectations fuel some of this?
12:29pm Maureen Sharib I can't help but wonder if this fear of failure isn't somehow (if not wholly) tied up with materialism
12:29pm Julia Stone Because I think it breeds pat answers like.. “I took on too much work, or I spend too much time at work so I got divorced.”
12:29pm Tom Cook We all have a basic need to feel good about ourselves - failure makes it more difficult to do that.
12:30pm Maureen Sharib Julia - those answers have an element of blaming others in them. What if a candidate said, "I failed because I was an asshole and I had my priorities screwed up."
12:31pm Paul Davenport Nope...follow up with..."Wow...I like the honesty. What will you do in the future to make sure those things don't happen again?
12:33pm Maureen Sharib Really though, how many of us are capable of looking inwardly?
12:33pm Paul Davenport There is nothing wrong with a candidate who shares personal failure...however, I would steer the interview towards professional failure.
12:33pm Maureen Sharib But the two are so related Paul.
12:34pm Maureen Sharib As sourcers we're good at assessing motivation. Agree?
12:35pm Maureen Sharib What motivates others to give us the names...Dayna, I think you can "hear" when a gatekeeper responds to you positively... if you can't pick up these nuances I think you're lost.
12:38pm Paul Davenport Absolutely Sourcing requires great intuitive skills, whether naturally gifted or learned.
12:39pm Maureen Sharib It is intuitive. I don't think it can necessarily be "learned" but a natural tendency towards it can be mightily refined.
12:39pm Tom Cook I find that the longer I do this the better listener I have become.
12:40pm Maureen Sharib Good point Tom -are we all on the same page that great sourcers are extraordinary listeners?
12:41pm Maureen Sharib Is NOT listening one of the steps to failure?
12:41pm Tom Cook Once you learn to read between the lines of what is being said, this job becomes a lot easier.
12:44pm Tom Cook If you don't have a passion for this business - it's extremely difficult when the lean times come.
12:45pm Maureen Sharib I agree Tom. It's what makes you seek other and better and more productive ways.
12:46pm Sam Medalie if times are lean, and you aren't paying the bills, you should quit and do something more productive in a different field
12:47pm Maureen Sharib Sam, I think you should quit ONLY WHEN you don't want to do something any longer. I know it sounds harsh.
12:48pm Sam Medalie If you can't pay the bills, you should quit and find something more productive
12:48pm Maureen Sharib Sam, part of this class seems to be abt what can be done to avoid failure.
12:48pm Tom Cook The tone of their voice will tell you as much about their interest as what they are actually saying.
12:48pm Maureen Sharib "If you can't pay the bills, you should quit and find something more productive." You keep saying that Sam.
12:52pm Maureen Sharib Do you think personality types key into failure rates?
12:52pm Julia Stone yes, I also think that not being true to your personality type will cause failure. Trying to appease the few who can't stand you, why bother?
12:52pm Maureen Sharib Do you think people who are morose are less likeable (thereby probably doing less commerce in the business world) than people who are cheerful?
12:53pm Maureen Sharib What if you have a problematic personality type?
12:54pm Maureen Sharib How do you know when you have a problematic personality?
12:55pm Maureen Sharib If you have a lot of personal "issues", trouble getting along w/others, trouble in business -do you think it might be time to "take stock"?
12:56pm Maureen Sharib FEAR OF FAILURE What causes it?
12:56pm Maureen Sharib Parents?
12:56pm Recruiting Animal The possibility of failure
12:56pm Maureen Sharib Lack of self-esteem?This article suggests it's a self esteem issue.
12:59pm Tom Cook At this point in my life my definition of success is much different than it was 20 years ago.
12:59pm Maureen Sharib Should we all do some homework (and thinking) on this and continue it on Thursday?
1:00pm Sam Medalie how about paying your bills--that is a sign you aren't a failure
1:00pm Maureen Sharib Interesting TOM -let's talk about changing values, too.
1:00pm Maureen Sharib Okay, let's talk about that too Sam. Paying your bills. But I think what we're talking about is deeper than that but will take care of that, in the long run...
1:01pm Sam Medalie good luck in the coming deep recession
1:01pm Maureen Sharib Understanding I think is what we're chasing here...
1:01pm Maureen Sharib LOL Sam.
1:01pm Maureen Sharib We all need luck Sam. But before we need THAT we need to be prepared.
1:02pm Sam Medalie I was being facetious
Read the whole chat here.…