There is also something to be said for learning something because you need to - in the case of the DA, Harry and his classmates needed to be able to defend themselves and wanted to help in the fight against Voldemort. In the case of Sourcing, nothing pushes me to try new things and really learn like a tough sourcing assignment or a SourceCon challenge.
Are you going to see the new movie this week? :)…
gnorance of your blog headline and smart ass, punk responses that made you look like a twerp. If you are going to write and invite comments, which you did, do battle, defend your position but when any of us start getting our ears pinned back because we missed the mark, we are all well advised to start asking questions rather than firing off smart ass remarks.
I tried to give you several outs but you refused to take them others did too, James, Tom and Jerry and many others. Paul gave you a pointer or two but you were and are too busy being defensive to give it up, laugh at yourself a little bit and admit that you really didn't realize that cold calling is considered to be "traditional recruiting".
As i said, we have all done it. You will be well received if you give it up and say , "well blew that one" and may have let my feelings get a little bruised and acted like a smart ass kid. Learned something about recruiters with this go around.
As to deleting comments and making a petulant statement about not inviting anybody to comment.
Those are the actions of a pouty kid not a big boy trying to get started in an industry. We all invite comments when we write a blog, sometimes it gets hot but at the end of the day if we roll with it realize it's a blog and an opinion and not a comment on anybody's character. Which by the way was a phrase you used as to it being a comment on my character that i would dare say something like that to you.
While i admire your passion and your interest in blogging suffice it to say that you have an opportunity to either continue to act like an adolescent troll or join the group. Both will be noticed.
As to "Murder She Wrote". You aint' seen nuttin yet honey. This is all still fun. It can get a lot worse.
The way it rolls is totally up to you.…
e post a blog/discussion that is a blatant ad for something we are selling it is in fact an ad. If everyone used the blogs and the forum to promote something they were trying to sell no matter how exicted about it we may be. the entire site would be a boring collection of free advertising that nobody would read. If any of us want to sell something we should buy advertising on the site or post a link in the area designated for promtion of tools etc. That's a no brainer and any business professional should know that without being told.
Yes, newbies do jump out there , thinking "wow what a great place to talk about my product" for free to thousands of recruiters. Think about it before you flop it out there. Making great claims that your product is the end all to be all for the recruiting world , such as eliminating the need for cold calls will of course generate a lot of discussion and derision. If you are going to claim it for free, defend it for free instead of throwing a fit and calling those who took exception , called you out for an ad, "rude, bullys with too much time on their hands" then serving notice that you are going to stamp on them.
You want to stamp, ok , bring it.
Yes, comments can be moderated but as in any other venue of human communication there are going to be people who don't like what any of us have to say. If we are so thin skinned that we have a burning need for total approval of everything we have to say, don't want to engage in anything but polite conversation then perhaps Sunday school is a better venue. Rather than moderating and filtering so that only the "nicey nice" stuff is allowed to appear either don't post it or simply close comments. But if we do, expect people to post another answer if they can not engage within your post.
It's my take that if i flop something out there in a public venue and somebody wants to disagree, take umbrage or i piss them off , have at it. If i can't take the heat i'll stay out of the furnace. In my opinon anyone taking offense at anything i write is not attacking my ability, character, or me personally just what i put out there for human consumption. Communication is not always politically correct nor in my opinion should it be. I got out of grade school years ago into the real world where discourse is varied, opinionated and interesting. Anyone who takes issue with what i say is not bullying me and i don't need to whine like a ninny or get my knickers in a knot. It's up to me to defend , ignore or not.
If i reach the point that i have to throw a fit, demand that my posts be well received or i be contacted personally by anyone who doesn't like what i have to say then i am demanding that everybody has to agree with me publically, which in my opinion is not only not the real world it's childish. I don't moderate comments because to me it's like a kid sticking their fingers in their ears and saying, "La, La, La, i can't hear you. Nor do i take comments down if i don't like them unless the orginal poster is removing responses in a passive aggressive manner to make mine look as if they are out of context. In my world a card laid is a card played. If i decide i'm wrong i'll say so instead of trying to make it look like i never said it or in the case of postings wrote it.
Just sayin and it's just my opinion, if you don't like it fire away.
ate (almost 37 million people@2006) represents better than 10% of the country's total population with a $1.8 trillion economy and tends to act as an early precursor to national trends in economics. Now that the State's Controller has announced a delay for tax refunds for 30 days starting February 1, 2009 for Personal Income Tax and Business Entity taxpayers I can't help but be reminded of an eerie set of postings I saw last year (about a secret closed door meeting by the House of Representatives held last March (only the fourth such meeting held in 176 years in this country)) that heralded the government's collapse in February of 2009, following a financial implosion that was predicted to begin in September of '08.
(Yeah, you might think some of the YouTube videos are over-the-top but they're food for thought, IMO.)
"Huh?" you're thinking. "What does this have to do with recruiting?"
Everything, my friend. Everything.
Now you all may think I'm nuts to bring this up (well, Jerry, maybe not you) but I have to tell you, I'm asking myself, doesn't the failure of a governmental body to pay its citizens back a "trusted" amount of money constitute a government's collapse? I think it does. I'm beginning (actually, this isn't true - I've been thinking about this for some time) to seriously question the framework of what all of us are facing here.
What do YOU think is going on?
“A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.” ~ Edward Abbey (American Writer whose works, set primarily in the southwestern United States, reflect an uncompromising environmentalist philosophy. 1927-1989)…
granny is online and so's her pappy and this proves that the world is changing, yadda, yadda, whether the Recruiting Animal recognizes it or not.
Well, let's talk about granny first. The 86 year old woman who doesn't even speak English. What's she doing on LinkedIn? Looking for guys? I think she'd have better luck on MySpace. Or Match.com. So don't use her as an example of the entire world's online social networking savvy.
And, tell me, honestly, how did she get on LinkedIn? Does she know she's got a profile? Or did you just put her there so you could brag about her?
But, let's leave that for a sec and go to the job hunters. Maren wrote:
"I am swamped with lunches, resumes, introduction queries and speaking requests."
A bunch of losers invite a sweet, pretty girl like you to come and speak to them about job-hunting and you see this as what? A sign that:
"There is a whole new generation of employees that can connect themselves to recruiters who work in their field, polish up their resume, mobilize their network and create opportunities in a matter of weeks"
Dear, just because they like you, the recruiting animal's social media rookie of the year, does not mean that they have an affinity to advanced job hunting techniques. It just means they like pretty girls.
Let's talk resumes. I'm a recruiter and I have a website. And I get quite a few unsolicited resumes. And 99% of them stink. And I don't think it has anything to do with age. Younger people might like video games but they're just as brainless as anyone else.
"THEY are reaching out to recruiters rather than the other way around."
I've been in a recruiter in a recession before. You haven't. They're just trying to use you, dear, that's all. It's the same-old, same-old, not a cultural sea-change.
When I worked in an office I had people calling me every day. "Recruiting Animal, find me job!" Everyone laughed about it because I didn't have the heart to shake them.
"People no longer want to be handed a fish, they want to be taught to fish."
Okay, let's say you don't have people crying "Maren Hogan, find me job!" Instead, it's a bad economy and they are asking you to tell them how to look for a job. Why does that seem so incredible to you? I can only assume it's because you think that people were total vegetables in the past and never looked for jobs on their own.
Some did and some will. But not all. Because when people call me for advice and I start telling them how to market themselves, I can tell that they're not really interested. They don't want to call lots of strangers and I don't blame them. It's scary.
And I see that you agree with me because after all of your huffing an puffing you confess that "this does not apply to all job seekers, everywhere". Amen, sister. Testify!
As for the social networks of the new generation of job hunters, the internet does give people more reach than they had before. If not for the net, you and I wouldn't know eachother and I might not even know JD and he lives, like, three miles away from me.
But, Maren, I'm not so sure that people have social networks that are going to deliver jobs in the way you suggest. (Ask Dennis Smith). I'm from Missouri, dear. You've got to show me.
By the way, I wasn't defending outplacement companies. Didn't you see me say that my cousin went to one and the resume was okay but the stuff the guy told her was total garbage - that she would easily find a job that was better than the one she had lost - she didn't.…
rse deny and defend, but the message will get through. Sandra McCartt said:
In this case Paul if the deal is totally dead, albeit i seldom do it, i would give strong consideration to letting my candidate know exactly what was said by HR person at the company he worked for. I think he should have the opportunity to address this with his previous employer should he want to do that. If this goofy person is making off the cuff statements like this she will do it again. Based on his other references he should not be knocked out of future jobs by that kind of comment.
If you think the deal might be able to be resurrected at all i would recontact any of the references you checked with that same company. Tell them that you have run into a situation that perhaps they might need to be aware of since they gave this candidate an outstanding reference. Explain that an HR person who was not there and did not know him made a sidebar comment that resulted in the candidate being turned down for a job. The other alternative might be to contact someone higher up in HR with the reference providers company. Ask them for a reference check and explain that one of their people assumed that if this guy was let go he was not a good employee, your understanding is that he was let go due to his major account being lost and you would like to clarify the comment made by the recruiter and quote the comment.
It may not make any difference and HR may cover their butt but it sure might result in some training about references and side bar comments if a recruiter ,who is a temp, gave a backdoor reference that resulted in a person not being hired in a new position.
I had one somewhat the same once where an internal recruiter with my hiring company (very young) had worked previously at the same company as my candidate. The internal told the hiring manager that although she did not know the candidate directly she had heard that she was a bitch. Hiring manger got nervous so i gathered up all the references i could find, all were all good. I then wrote a reference report entitled -"Comparitive Reference Report" "Positive References "were listed first in detail with names, numbers etc. When i got to the "Negative References or Concerns" it said, Arlene did not know her personally but heard she was a bitch, does not know exactly why that was said or by whom but indicated it could be a concern. I have addressed any concerns with interpersonal skills with references above but cannot find any concerns. Perhaps if Arlene can remember who made that remark i can contact them to see what the issues were.
My candidate got hired. When pressed about her comment the internal finally said that perhaps it was someone who worked for this candidate who got mad at her for something.