Comments - Give those recruiters a red card, ref.. - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-29T05:28:55Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=502551%3ABlogPost%3A1278960&xn_auth=noDarryl - I couldn't agree mor…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-07-13:502551:Comment:12806042011-07-13T08:15:11.596ZEmily Stevensonhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/EmilyStevenson
<p>Darryl - I couldn't agree more, brilliant! Made me giggle..</p>
<p>Marc - quite right, although obviously if you're buying a home/car then you'll probably be more switched on than I was with this incident and not let the sales person talk you into something.. It's sad when recruiters become so obsessed with the win and not about the client/candidate. However, of course there are many recruiters who do an excellent job and who genuinely care about finding the right candidate for the long…</p>
<p>Darryl - I couldn't agree more, brilliant! Made me giggle..</p>
<p>Marc - quite right, although obviously if you're buying a home/car then you'll probably be more switched on than I was with this incident and not let the sales person talk you into something.. It's sad when recruiters become so obsessed with the win and not about the client/candidate. However, of course there are many recruiters who do an excellent job and who genuinely care about finding the right candidate for the long run.</p>
<p>Luke - I completely understand dressing up a difficult role with a nice word otherwise nobody would ever apply for them! But there seem to be a few managers like yours, that just want to get a candidate in there to get the money and not care about what happens which is very sad for both the client and the candidate and indeed for the poor people who work for the manager such as yourself!</p>
<p>Charles - I agree that sometimes hiring managers are so focussed on filling the role that they are not clear enough to the recruiters when they specify the kind of candidate they are looking for. But, as you said, I really think in this case that they were definitely over the line! It's a shame that this kind of thing still goes on as lots of recruiters are excellent and try their best to make client/candidate happy and match well.</p>
<p>Sara - recruiters like you are the reason that candidates/clients haven't given up with agencies altogether! There are plenty of recruiters out there who really make it their business to get to know what the client wants, get to know the candidates and choose the best match for the job. It's unfortunate that the few that are simply just wanting their commission and don't care about anything else are still about and giving some agencies a poor name.</p>
<p>Thank you all for all your comments! It's great to know that everybody is aware of this sort of thing happening - maybe we can put a stop to it, in an ideal world of course..</p> It's stories like this that a…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-07-13:502551:Comment:12802262011-07-13T04:32:35.766ZSara Ramirez Moraleshttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/SaraRamirezMorales
<p>It's stories like this that always made me ashamed to admit that I worked in the recruitment industry and it's the primary reason why I was so eager to move out of agency recruitment in to an internal role.</p>
<p>I loved helping to change peoples lives by helping them to find a new role, but I hated working in environments that were driven by aggressive commission targets. In my experience this lead to consultants behaving in an underhanded manner, much like the one in your story,…</p>
<p>It's stories like this that always made me ashamed to admit that I worked in the recruitment industry and it's the primary reason why I was so eager to move out of agency recruitment in to an internal role.</p>
<p>I loved helping to change peoples lives by helping them to find a new role, but I hated working in environments that were driven by aggressive commission targets. In my experience this lead to consultants behaving in an underhanded manner, much like the one in your story, Emily. </p>
<p>Sadly, until recruitment consultants in agencyland are taught to treat candidates at all levels with the same respect that they do their clients, things won't change in my opinion.</p>
<p> </p> Unfortunately it happens far…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-07-13:502551:Comment:12800012011-07-13T00:25:02.686ZCharles Van Heerdenhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/CharlesVanHeerden
<p>Unfortunately it happens far too often that hiring managers are not clear about their requirements, which then impact on recruiters trying to find the right person. As a result, particularly in the case of contingent recruitment, there are too many recruiters casting a wide net to fill a difficult role. In this case, however, the recruiters have seriously overstepped the mark. </p>
<p>Unfortunately it happens far too often that hiring managers are not clear about their requirements, which then impact on recruiters trying to find the right person. As a result, particularly in the case of contingent recruitment, there are too many recruiters casting a wide net to fill a difficult role. In this case, however, the recruiters have seriously overstepped the mark. </p> An all too common strory in t…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-07-12:502551:Comment:12795542011-07-12T23:19:22.779ZLuke Collardhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/LukeCollard
<p>An all too common strory in the dark and murky world of bad recruitmernt. I used to work for an agency specialising in Telesales recruitment and it was very hard to find candidates wanting to do that type of role. My manager insisted on advertising the role as Customer Services or Marketing so as to attarct candidates who we would then shoe horn into the role. 99% of the time it would end up ina bad result for the candidate, the client and ourselves....but that manager was short sighted and…</p>
<p>An all too common strory in the dark and murky world of bad recruitmernt. I used to work for an agency specialising in Telesales recruitment and it was very hard to find candidates wanting to do that type of role. My manager insisted on advertising the role as Customer Services or Marketing so as to attarct candidates who we would then shoe horn into the role. 99% of the time it would end up ina bad result for the candidate, the client and ourselves....but that manager was short sighted and couldn't see beyond the "chuck enough mud at the wall" and some will stick tactic.</p>
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<p>There is however a large proportion of our industry that recognises the unprofessional practice that some elements of our industry adopt, not just false advertising. There has been call worldwide for recruitment to be better regulated, similar to any other professional services industry is, but until this happens I am afraid that we all, candidates, clients and good recruiters a like, are at the mercy of these idiots.</p> Emily,
I'm in the US so some…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-07-12:502551:Comment:12791472011-07-12T16:36:21.918ZMarc Rodriguezhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MarcRodriguez
<p>Emily,</p>
<p>I'm in the US so some of the terms I use may not relate to the UK. However ... Sadly, Recruiters and Recruiting Firms come in all shapes and sizes ... regardless of geography. There are very good Recruiters / Recruiting firms that are ethical and that are truly looking for a win / win for everyone. Unfortunately, there are other's out there that are not so positive and you've seemed to have met with the firm/agent who is simply looking for the commission.</p>
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<p>Emily,</p>
<p>I'm in the US so some of the terms I use may not relate to the UK. However ... Sadly, Recruiters and Recruiting Firms come in all shapes and sizes ... regardless of geography. There are very good Recruiters / Recruiting firms that are ethical and that are truly looking for a win / win for everyone. Unfortunately, there are other's out there that are not so positive and you've seemed to have met with the firm/agent who is simply looking for the commission.</p>
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<p>Using a Recruiter is really no different than if you are using a Real Estate Agent to purchase a home, a Car Salesman to purchase your next automobile, or walking into a Department Store to purchase your next outfit. Some are definitely better than others ... and clearly some will have your best interest in mind and other's won't, just looking for the sales transaction.</p>
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<p> </p> Shameful and embarrassing to…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-07-12:502551:Comment:12793312011-07-12T16:29:08.653ZDarryl Diosohttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/DarrylDioso
<p>Shameful and embarrassing to the industry.</p>
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<p>Don't stop at a Red Card. That sort of behavior needs a FIFA "Lifetime ban from all competition" ruling. </p>
<p>Shameful and embarrassing to the industry.</p>
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<p>Don't stop at a Red Card. That sort of behavior needs a FIFA "Lifetime ban from all competition" ruling. </p> Thanks for your comment! As I…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-07-12:502551:Comment:12793292011-07-12T16:25:56.732ZEmily Stevensonhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/EmilyStevenson
Thanks for your comment! As I understand it, the recruiter got commission once we were accepted for a job and then got further commission if we stayed 3 months. However, the initial commission for us filling the role was substantial enough that the recruiters weren't as fussed about the additional commission so were not caring whether the candidate would fit the role or not. They were just interested in pushing/forcing applicants at the job and bullying them into accepting it! I understand that…
Thanks for your comment! As I understand it, the recruiter got commission once we were accepted for a job and then got further commission if we stayed 3 months. However, the initial commission for us filling the role was substantial enough that the recruiters weren't as fussed about the additional commission so were not caring whether the candidate would fit the role or not. They were just interested in pushing/forcing applicants at the job and bullying them into accepting it! I understand that recruiters want to get their commission, of course, but surely it's not good practice making up jobs to get candidates and then pushing them into jobs they don't want to do - it's not nice for the applicant and it's not productive for the company either who will probably have to look for a new applicant when their new one doesn't work out! Emily - this is a classic of…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-07-12:502551:Comment:12793252011-07-12T16:17:26.102ZIanhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Ian787
Emily - this is a classic of poor recruitment companies that are only interested in earning commission rather than letting the candidates do the choosing. Bit of shameless sales here, but at present we're setting up a new web site called: myjobsplace.co.uk that is for graduates and people in the early stages of their career. Simply, candidates and employers will be able to browse and meet each other on-line and then face to face if necessary. No more middle man. As you say it helped you in the…
Emily - this is a classic of poor recruitment companies that are only interested in earning commission rather than letting the candidates do the choosing. Bit of shameless sales here, but at present we're setting up a new web site called: myjobsplace.co.uk that is for graduates and people in the early stages of their career. Simply, candidates and employers will be able to browse and meet each other on-line and then face to face if necessary. No more middle man. As you say it helped you in the long run, but what if your initial manager was less forgiving. You would no longer have a job, they would be without someone in the role and the only one laughing is the agent with their commission! That's a pretty bad experienc…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-07-12:502551:Comment:12791982011-07-12T14:25:38.029ZSubramani Bhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/SubramaniB
That's a pretty bad experience you have mentioned here. Looks like the consultant themselves were doing sales rather than looking for right roles & matches.
That's a pretty bad experience you have mentioned here. Looks like the consultant themselves were doing sales rather than looking for right roles & matches.