Comments - Be The First To Make A Job Offer - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-28T12:04:11Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=502551%3ABlogPost%3A1284579&xn_auth=noMegan I agree and I think the…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-07-20:502551:Comment:12905112011-07-20T01:14:48.551ZTimothy Yandelhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/TimothyYandel
Megan I agree and I think the point wasn't to extend the offer too soon, it was make the right offer when you're ready and don't wait because you feel it will be shopped. By having a good relationship with the candidate you should know their expectations and exceed them if you feel they'd shop the offer or don't extend an offer period if the candidate hasn't said that they want you job. I think we're confusing extending an offer too soon versus don't wait to extend if you're ready.<br />
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Megan I agree and I think the point wasn't to extend the offer too soon, it was make the right offer when you're ready and don't wait because you feel it will be shopped. By having a good relationship with the candidate you should know their expectations and exceed them if you feel they'd shop the offer or don't extend an offer period if the candidate hasn't said that they want you job. I think we're confusing extending an offer too soon versus don't wait to extend if you're ready.<br />
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Appreciate the comments from everyone though, I love the insight. I re-read some of my responses and thought I may have been coming off defensive which was not my intention. If a hiring manager on a cont…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-07-19:502551:Comment:12906012011-07-19T23:19:13.371ZMegan Flynnhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MeganFlynn
If a hiring manager on a contract does not select my candidate for the position I submitted them for, then their offer isn't worth the paper it is written on. Beyond that, at least in my field, candidates will absolutely shop the offer if I extend it too soon. I do not hold out to play games, I hold out to make sure the position is a good fit and that they will be accepted on the contract. In the government world most of the positions are very similar and unfortunately many people are money…
If a hiring manager on a contract does not select my candidate for the position I submitted them for, then their offer isn't worth the paper it is written on. Beyond that, at least in my field, candidates will absolutely shop the offer if I extend it too soon. I do not hold out to play games, I hold out to make sure the position is a good fit and that they will be accepted on the contract. In the government world most of the positions are very similar and unfortunately many people are money driven, so extending an offer too soon is not only foolish, it hurts the rest of us who may have a better opportunity for the candidate. Either way, whether you're an…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-07-19:502551:Comment:12903912011-07-19T22:44:45.325ZTimothy Yandelhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/TimothyYandel
Either way, whether you're an internal or external recruiter I think the shared goal is have the candidate accept an offer, making it first increases your chances.
Either way, whether you're an internal or external recruiter I think the shared goal is have the candidate accept an offer, making it first increases your chances. The mentality of pressuring p…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-07-19:502551:Comment:12904352011-07-19T21:00:01.657ZTimothy Yandelhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/TimothyYandel
<p>The mentality of pressuring people to accept your offer before going on other interviews is not what this post was about. I agree that a candidate should check out their options and the last thing you'd like to do is have a candidate quit within the first few months, but that is a separate issue from the blog post. There's a link on the post that highlights how to <a href="http://www.hiringjuice.com/blog/2011/3/4/preparing-the-right-offer.html?SSScrollPosition=0" target="_blank">extend an…</a></p>
<p>The mentality of pressuring people to accept your offer before going on other interviews is not what this post was about. I agree that a candidate should check out their options and the last thing you'd like to do is have a candidate quit within the first few months, but that is a separate issue from the blog post. There's a link on the post that highlights how to <a target="_blank" href="http://www.hiringjuice.com/blog/2011/3/4/preparing-the-right-offer.html?SSScrollPosition=0">extend an offer</a>, which highlights what Bill says about having the candidate rank their opportunities and why. I think that's recruiting 101 honestly and if you're not doing that then it doesn't matter when you're extending the offer, it's just a shot in the dark. </p>
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<p>Being ready to extend an offer to a candidate only to wait for other company's to make their offers first shows you weren't very confident in what you were extending anyway. If you are the right opportunity for the candidate, then make the best offer you can that the candidate would feel comfortable accepting and shutting down their job search. If they aren't willing to do that, most likely you're the candidate's 2nd choice anyway so you're just wasting time and your reputation by making an offer after they've already received others. </p>
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<p>Also - if you're the third to extend an offer to a candidate and you know what the other offers are at, aren't you putting yourself in a situation where you have to beat those other offers? wouldn't that encourage the candidate to accept your job just because of the money and not the opportunity? Those candidates don't work out for the long haul because there's always someone who can make a better offer. </p> IT professionals are the exce…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-07-19:502551:Comment:12904332011-07-19T20:57:50.198ZValentino Martinezhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ValentinoMartinez
<p>IT professionals are the exception mainly because many turned mercenary years ago due to multiple opportunities...that generate oodles of direct, short-term, and contract jobs in industry. IT systems, languages, applications, etc., are always in flux...making these folks always in demand.</p>
<p>With few exceptions, other technical/engineering disciplines are not as transient as IT has become, particularly if they represent the latest cutting edge technologies. </p>
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<p>Not so long…</p>
<p>IT professionals are the exception mainly because many turned mercenary years ago due to multiple opportunities...that generate oodles of direct, short-term, and contract jobs in industry. IT systems, languages, applications, etc., are always in flux...making these folks always in demand.</p>
<p>With few exceptions, other technical/engineering disciplines are not as transient as IT has become, particularly if they represent the latest cutting edge technologies. </p>
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<p>Not so long ago graduating MBAs could count on multiple offers. In this economy, if you try to shop around too long for a better opportunity you may experience a job offer being withdrawn. Companies have too many candidates in queue to putz around with an unconfirmed acceptance.</p>
<p>Obviously an employer has to have other attraction factors besides being quick on the draw--And being quick on the draw, in terms of making a job offer, does not suggest (at least in my experience) that it's done without a through assessment of the candidates in final review. Some hiring managers and HR recruitment teams have mastered the skill of moving quickly to get to a "green light" decision to extend a job offer.</p>
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<p>So, all thing being fairly equal, in many industries, I found candidates were impressed with a quicker hiring decision style than with the experience of being strung along by an employer with no decision being made going on weeks. Some candidates went so far as to mention that they were accepting our job offer and appreciated the expediency we seem to take on their behalf. It seemed to them that our fairly swift decision amounted to a flattering vote of confidence in them that other employers were still mulling over but could not commit to one way or the another (which could be interpreted as leaning toward a lack of true interest). So the early bird does have advantages.</p>
<p>If you snooze you can lose good candidates.</p> Sorry, "cleared" meaning IT p…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-07-18:502551:Comment:12878672011-07-18T17:25:04.921ZMegan Flynnhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MeganFlynn
Sorry, "cleared" meaning IT professionals with government clearances. Specifically Top Secret Clearance with a Full Scope Polygraph. There is a small pool of candidates in this field, which is why I am hesitant to throw out an offer as quickly as possible. These people are in high demand and they get contingent offers all the time, but I am still more concerned with them being a proper fit for the contract and the position.
Sorry, "cleared" meaning IT professionals with government clearances. Specifically Top Secret Clearance with a Full Scope Polygraph. There is a small pool of candidates in this field, which is why I am hesitant to throw out an offer as quickly as possible. These people are in high demand and they get contingent offers all the time, but I am still more concerned with them being a proper fit for the contract and the position. I actually have to disagree,…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-07-18:502551:Comment:12876662011-07-18T16:00:19.472ZMegan Flynnhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MeganFlynn
I actually have to disagree, at least for my market (the cleared IT world). Being the first to make an offer can sometimes lead to candidates shopping that offer to other companies that are interested to increase their overall worth. Another huge issue I have with being too quick to make an offer is that too many companies now sign contingent offers without a real position in place. It makes it that much harder on everyone who actually has a position for a candidate or makes the candidate think…
I actually have to disagree, at least for my market (the cleared IT world). Being the first to make an offer can sometimes lead to candidates shopping that offer to other companies that are interested to increase their overall worth. Another huge issue I have with being too quick to make an offer is that too many companies now sign contingent offers without a real position in place. It makes it that much harder on everyone who actually has a position for a candidate or makes the candidate think that something is there when it is not. I try to make sure that not only is the candidate getting what he or she is looking for (and in this small market, they usually will) but that the position is a good fit and that they will be happy there in the long run. I do not want to rush into an offer just to hire someone that will end up miserable and possibly quitting after just a few short months. Timothy,
I too agree with you…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-07-18:502551:Comment:12876522011-07-18T14:38:56.720ZChris Riopellehttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ChrisRiopelle
<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>I too agree with you. Being the first to make a decent offer can provide an advantage over other employers. Most candidates want to feel wanted and when a good offers comes in quickly after the close of an interview they tend to accept it. "A bird in hand is worth two in the forest" - Not sure if that analogy means anything outside of Canada.</p>
<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>I too agree with you. Being the first to make a decent offer can provide an advantage over other employers. Most candidates want to feel wanted and when a good offers comes in quickly after the close of an interview they tend to accept it. "A bird in hand is worth two in the forest" - Not sure if that analogy means anything outside of Canada.</p> Timothy,
I agree. Being th…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-07-16:502551:Comment:12863132011-07-16T19:16:07.274ZValentino Martinezhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ValentinoMartinez
<p>Timothy,</p>
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<p>I agree. Being the first to make a decent job offer has superior advantages over employers who appear indecisive and drag out their job offer decision process. </p>
<p>I’ve facilitated the hire of many a professional, high-tech and in high-demand, or not. I’ve noticed by being the first to extend a decent job offer rarely misses getting the acceptance. Even if a candidate is in the mix of other interviews and potential job offers are expected “any day now”—they…</p>
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<p>I agree. Being the first to make a decent job offer has superior advantages over employers who appear indecisive and drag out their job offer decision process. </p>
<p>I’ve facilitated the hire of many a professional, high-tech and in high-demand, or not. I’ve noticed by being the first to extend a decent job offer rarely misses getting the acceptance. Even if a candidate is in the mix of other interviews and potential job offers are expected “any day now”—they tend to accept the first decent job offer and stick with it. </p>