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I see it all of the time. …tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-10-01:502551:Comment:14294152011-10-01T18:33:23.898ZAmber Gerstenhaberhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/AmberGerstenhaber
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<p><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">I see it all of the time. I recently opened a position for a Director of Sales for my property, and had an applicant straight out of school apply. I spoke to her about a more suitable position for her, she did not want to hear it. The Director of Sales position clearly stated 10+ years of relevant experience!</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">I see it all of the time. I recently opened a position for a Director of Sales for my property, and had an applicant straight out of school apply. I spoke to her about a more suitable position for her, she did not want to hear it. The Director of Sales position clearly stated 10+ years of relevant experience!</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">It isn't the first time that I have had that comes across my desk. It seems people who finish school these days without experience feel entitled to have a position that needs not only the educational background but the experience part of the job.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">Great Blog!!</span></p> IN response to your final que…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-29:502551:Comment:14282352011-09-29T12:51:29.752ZJon Terryhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JonTerry
<p>IN response to your final question I am actually finding that if anything the trend is for candidates to be too reasonable.</p>
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<p>I am finding that many "senior" candidates are prepared to drop their salary expectations or take a step sideways.</p>
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<p>But then again we are dealing with a predominantly qualified and experienced HR client base and so perhaps (at the moment) not dealing with the Gen Y people you might be dealing with.</p>
<p>IN response to your final question I am actually finding that if anything the trend is for candidates to be too reasonable.</p>
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<p>I am finding that many "senior" candidates are prepared to drop their salary expectations or take a step sideways.</p>
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<p>But then again we are dealing with a predominantly qualified and experienced HR client base and so perhaps (at the moment) not dealing with the Gen Y people you might be dealing with.</p> This is a topic that I am con…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-29:502551:Comment:14282312011-09-29T12:33:18.402ZHelen Burbank (Appleby)https://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Helen525
<p>This is a topic that I am conflicted on.. I belong to the so-called 'me' generation (I am pretty much a baby at 22). When I talk to friends and colleagues, a lot of them are sincerely confused when it comes to contract negotiations. It is something that is foreign to most people fresh out of university. Many are too scared to ask for what they think they deserve because they don't want to be seen as greedy. Others want to stand up for what they think they deserve (even if they are wrong)…</p>
<p>This is a topic that I am conflicted on.. I belong to the so-called 'me' generation (I am pretty much a baby at 22). When I talk to friends and colleagues, a lot of them are sincerely confused when it comes to contract negotiations. It is something that is foreign to most people fresh out of university. Many are too scared to ask for what they think they deserve because they don't want to be seen as greedy. Others want to stand up for what they think they deserve (even if they are wrong) because they don't want to be seen as settling. </p>
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<p>In short: most university students enter the workforce with no idea how it works and with questionable resources at their hands (Career councellors that are out of touch, parents that have been in their same job with fair raises for 30 years, professors who have no idea what the corporate world looks like etc.) </p>
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<p>That being said - there are greedy people in every generation. </p> ...not that there's anything…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-28:502551:Comment:14277722011-09-28T19:17:30.907ZValentino Martinezhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ValentinoMartinez
...not that there's anything wrong with being "born awkward". I have many awkward moments...starting from birth.
...not that there's anything wrong with being "born awkward". I have many awkward moments...starting from birth. Wow, there are a lot more com…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-28:502551:Comment:14277712011-09-28T19:11:50.242ZSamantha Laceyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/samanthaLacey
Wow, there are a lot more comments on my little ramble than I expected. I wasn't expecting to set the world of candidate offers and expectations to rights, but I'm enjoying the dialogue! As with every aspect of life, there are some people out there who are just born awkward.
Wow, there are a lot more comments on my little ramble than I expected. I wasn't expecting to set the world of candidate offers and expectations to rights, but I'm enjoying the dialogue! As with every aspect of life, there are some people out there who are just born awkward. Sometimes we fluff and someti…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-28:502551:Comment:14279362011-09-28T18:58:44.577Zlisa rokusekhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/lisarokusek
<p>Sometimes we fluff and sometimes we spank.</p>
<p>I have found that providing a timely reality check just after a great interview in order to let the hot air out of a rapidly swelling head can prevent the "They like me, they really like me" syndrome. </p>
<p>This disease often results in previously sane candidiates deciding they want to "see how high they'll go" instead of what they wanted prior to feeling like the prettiest girl at the dance. Feeling wanted is intoxicating. It can be…</p>
<p>Sometimes we fluff and sometimes we spank.</p>
<p>I have found that providing a timely reality check just after a great interview in order to let the hot air out of a rapidly swelling head can prevent the "They like me, they really like me" syndrome. </p>
<p>This disease often results in previously sane candidiates deciding they want to "see how high they'll go" instead of what they wanted prior to feeling like the prettiest girl at the dance. Feeling wanted is intoxicating. It can be dangerous.</p>
<p>We have to do these things to make everyone happy, including the candidiate who truly wants the gig but has bedazzled him or her self in the mirror.</p>
<p> </p> Bill is wise beyond his years…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-28:502551:Comment:14277582011-09-28T18:39:04.816ZValentino Martinezhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ValentinoMartinez
Bill is wise beyond his years. If you can befriend early on and insert reality checks as well, and get those accepted, you have a shot at bringing some candidates down to earth at offer time.
Bill is wise beyond his years. If you can befriend early on and insert reality checks as well, and get those accepted, you have a shot at bringing some candidates down to earth at offer time. It's a delicate balance. You…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-28:502551:Comment:14276722011-09-28T18:30:44.575ZBill Schultzhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/BillSchultz
<p>It's a delicate balance. You have to feed a Candidate's ego at the same time you limit his expectations. I know it's often not possible for some of you but if you want to be able to influence and "control" a candidate, you have to earn his trust early on.</p>
<p> The way I do that is to meet them early on. Face to face is my preferred method. Video I suppose is second. But if you haven't looked them in the eye, they won't be taking your advice at crunch time.</p>
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<p>It's a delicate balance. You have to feed a Candidate's ego at the same time you limit his expectations. I know it's often not possible for some of you but if you want to be able to influence and "control" a candidate, you have to earn his trust early on.</p>
<p> The way I do that is to meet them early on. Face to face is my preferred method. Video I suppose is second. But if you haven't looked them in the eye, they won't be taking your advice at crunch time.</p>
<p> They will be listening to their "mentors" who give them advice like ask for the bigger BMW. </p> Samantha,
It’s not that can…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-28:502551:Comment:14276672011-09-28T18:22:41.665ZValentino Martinezhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ValentinoMartinez
<p>Samantha,</p>
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<p>It’s not that candidates expect too much. It’s simply that some expected better than what they received in a particular offer. The late responders did some fact-checking, maybe even waved the offer in front of another competitor. Getting last minute input from their circles of influence of family, friends and people who are never satisfied with anything at anytime weigh-in and WAA LAA you get a last minute counter offer.</p>
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<p>Samantha,</p>
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<p>It’s not that candidates expect too much. It’s simply that some expected better than what they received in a particular offer. The late responders did some fact-checking, maybe even waved the offer in front of another competitor. Getting last minute input from their circles of influence of family, friends and people who are never satisfied with anything at anytime weigh-in and WAA LAA you get a last minute counter offer.</p>
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<p>Most <strong>ambitious</strong> candidates, young and old, expect the best offer that can be given and they’re often surprised, and a little disheartened, when the offer hits below the mark they had hoped for—even when they’ve admitted they would accept a compensation package at a reasonable level. They have a number in mind and they want to get as close as they can to that number even at the expense of losing the job offer. There are such things as Prima Donnas and Prima Donnos (made that one up).</p>
<p>I had a retiring Colonel who, at the last minute requested plane fare for two poddles, blah, blah, blah. and this was way after the offer was accepted, relo was in motion...and he's heading to the airport on his way to his new job...last minute.</p>
<p>I got the headhunter to take one for the team effort here and pay the poodle fare. He did and we continue to be great friends to this day.</p> Richard and Derek, I agree th…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-09-28:502551:Comment:14276422011-09-28T15:49:14.857ZSamantha Laceyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/samanthaLacey
<p>Richard and Derek, I agree that when you get to the crunch/offer time unreasonable demands are usually a get out clause for unsure candidates, however when they are making unreasonable demands before you even shortlist them you have to wonder if they overestimate their worth.</p>
<p>Richard and Derek, I agree that when you get to the crunch/offer time unreasonable demands are usually a get out clause for unsure candidates, however when they are making unreasonable demands before you even shortlist them you have to wonder if they overestimate their worth.</p>