Comments - Why Counter Offers Are Good (except for headhunters) - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-29T05:00:27Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=502551%3ABlogPost%3A1466476&xn_auth=noI like that alternative endin…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-11-18:502551:Comment:14689992011-11-18T21:18:25.788ZAmoshttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Amos
<p>I like that alternative ending too.@Elise</p>
<p>I like that alternative ending too.@Elise</p> I think Sandra is making a go…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-11-18:502551:Comment:14688022011-11-18T20:56:49.903ZElise Reynoldshttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/EliseReynolds
<p>I think Sandra is making a good point. </p>
<p>I just think people should be honest and work to keep expectations in place. Other than that I don't think just because you go on an interview you have to accept that offer. </p>
<p>If Nicky had gone through a exhastive process and gotten everyone's hopes up and said she was going to accept the offer and then just used it for the counter offer then that would be abusive.</p>
<p>But if she just went on an interview, not so much. </p>
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<p>I think Sandra is making a good point. </p>
<p>I just think people should be honest and work to keep expectations in place. Other than that I don't think just because you go on an interview you have to accept that offer. </p>
<p>If Nicky had gone through a exhastive process and gotten everyone's hopes up and said she was going to accept the offer and then just used it for the counter offer then that would be abusive.</p>
<p>But if she just went on an interview, not so much. </p>
<p>Like many recruiters, my clients expect me to find rare talent. My clients expect to do a try to woo and court the best candidates. Sometimes they win and sometimes they lose.</p>
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<p>Another ending to the Nicky story MIGHT have been -</p>
<p> <em>Nicky frustrated at the lack of solidifying her promised promotion decided to look into other opportunities. She did not really want to leave her current company but she just did not feel she was being treated fairly. She went to interview with XYZ company and even though she did not want to leave her current company she was Wowed with the company and fell in love with the job they described. She left that interview instead of feeling ambivalent felt really energized. She wanted that job! Even though it was sad to say goodbye to all the freinds she had made with her current employer she just could not let this opportunity pass. </em></p> @amber I agree it's been my e…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-11-18:502551:Comment:14684632011-11-18T19:42:24.788ZSandra McCartthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/SandraMcCartt
@amber I agree it's been my experience that most candidates don't start looking until they feel that they have exhausted their options. Most of the counter offers I have seen were a bigger surprise to the candidate than they were to me.<br />
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Perhaps it's a different economic time but I have seen more companies making counters that are being accepted. Not good but sometimes nobody really knew until somebody said, "I'm getting a divorce because you won't pick up your dirty socks."<br />
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@amber I agree it's been my experience that most candidates don't start looking until they feel that they have exhausted their options. Most of the counter offers I have seen were a bigger surprise to the candidate than they were to me.<br />
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Perhaps it's a different economic time but I have seen more companies making counters that are being accepted. Not good but sometimes nobody really knew until somebody said, "I'm getting a divorce because you won't pick up your dirty socks."<br />
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Some things can be corrected, some things can't and sometimes it takes a nuclear option. As Bill said, when you look, get an offer and go back with it, you better be ready to take it. Some folks simply won't pick up their socks or think it's a dumb reason to blow up the camp. I will tell candidates - (if…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-11-18:502551:Comment:14682842011-11-18T19:28:27.077ZAmoshttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Amos
<p>I will tell candidates - (if they ask) how many people are on the shortlist. Hopefully it will lift their interview game up and make sure they are really prepared and not just the purple squirrel (i hate that analogy) needle in the haystack?.oy. Most candidates dont volunteer information anyway - job search is emotionally draining as it is - . Even when you get them an offer so amazing you probably still wont end up on their Christmas list or their thank you list. Why rest your case I…</p>
<p>I will tell candidates - (if they ask) how many people are on the shortlist. Hopefully it will lift their interview game up and make sure they are really prepared and not just the purple squirrel (i hate that analogy) needle in the haystack?.oy. Most candidates dont volunteer information anyway - job search is emotionally draining as it is - . Even when you get them an offer so amazing you probably still wont end up on their Christmas list or their thank you list. Why rest your case I thought we were just getting started..</p> So a candidate who doesn't te…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-11-18:502551:Comment:14682832011-11-18T19:18:31.840ZSandra McCartthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/SandraMcCartt
So a candidate who doesn't tell you they are looking at several jobs is unethical and immoral. What if they didn't tell you until after they accepted the one you sent them on? Would you then have placed an unethical immoral person with your client. Rebuttal is a bitch after one rests one's case.
So a candidate who doesn't tell you they are looking at several jobs is unethical and immoral. What if they didn't tell you until after they accepted the one you sent them on? Would you then have placed an unethical immoral person with your client. Rebuttal is a bitch after one rests one's case. @Sandra, I agree with the fac…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-11-18:502551:Comment:14685342011-11-18T19:15:46.007ZAmberhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Amber689
<p>@Sandra, I agree with the fact that anyone can pick whichever offer they want. In your example, as a recruiter (or a candidate) I think a person has to choose the option best for them. I don't even think the candidate HAS to let me know all their plans, I don't tell all my candidates how many people I'm sending, or how many my client might be interested in.</p>
<p>I guess I read the original post as a person going out and getting that offer solely as the means to force her employers hand,…</p>
<p>@Sandra, I agree with the fact that anyone can pick whichever offer they want. In your example, as a recruiter (or a candidate) I think a person has to choose the option best for them. I don't even think the candidate HAS to let me know all their plans, I don't tell all my candidates how many people I'm sending, or how many my client might be interested in.</p>
<p>I guess I read the original post as a person going out and getting that offer solely as the means to force her employers hand, which is a different intention than just deciding between offers/counteroffers. It sounds like she is a valuable employee, and it's sad that the company had to be hit over the head with it before they made the right changes and kept their promises to her.</p> Cant argue with that @Sandra…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-11-18:502551:Comment:14682802011-11-18T19:09:26.414ZAmoshttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Amos
<p>Cant argue with that @Sandra - hypothetically if is she became really active I think she would leave.</p>
<p>Cant argue with that @Sandra - hypothetically if is she became really active I think she would leave.</p> As long as she's open and hon…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-11-18:502551:Comment:14684562011-11-18T19:06:20.034ZStephaniehttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Stephanie613
<p>As long as she's open and honest with both recruiters, informing them that she is also pursuing another job with another recruiter. Then the recruiters will also be able inform their clients in advance and they will be prepared for possible disappointment, and probably have another candidate on ice should this one not work out - BIG difference. No one is mad, no bridges burnt and everyone accepts the outcome. I rest may case. </p>
<p>As long as she's open and honest with both recruiters, informing them that she is also pursuing another job with another recruiter. Then the recruiters will also be able inform their clients in advance and they will be prepared for possible disappointment, and probably have another candidate on ice should this one not work out - BIG difference. No one is mad, no bridges burnt and everyone accepts the outcome. I rest may case. </p> I love when we get into a job…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-11-18:502551:Comment:14683812011-11-18T18:58:18.786ZSandra McCartthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/SandraMcCartt
I love when we get into a job choice being a reflection of ethics and moral depravity, so here's my question. If Nicky had interviewed with two new companies, through two different recruiters, gotten two offers and decided to take offer 2 instead of offer 1 would she still be a morally depraved piglet with no ethics?<br />
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After all, she left company 1 and offer 1 treading water in her wake, used recruiter 1 wasted both the time of co. 1 and recruiter 1.<br />
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While I mostly agree based on past history…
I love when we get into a job choice being a reflection of ethics and moral depravity, so here's my question. If Nicky had interviewed with two new companies, through two different recruiters, gotten two offers and decided to take offer 2 instead of offer 1 would she still be a morally depraved piglet with no ethics?<br />
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After all, she left company 1 and offer 1 treading water in her wake, used recruiter 1 wasted both the time of co. 1 and recruiter 1.<br />
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While I mostly agree based on past history that counters accepted many times end up as a case of the dismals I have a hard time with any ethical/moral label being put on a candidate who chooses to stay instead of go but, it's ok to take one new offer over another because she feels one is better for her than the other. Nicky was guided by her value…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2011-11-18:502551:Comment:14686152011-11-18T18:45:56.602ZAmoshttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Amos
<p>Nicky was guided by her value system - so was her company. and both are sleeping better now with a clear conscience because they cleared the air and recommitted their obligations to each other, just like in any potential long term relationship. The confidence to take action is the point of the article > it has nothing to do with sacrificing your value system and its not about sitting and waiting for the best to happen.</p>
<p>Nicky was guided by her value system - so was her company. and both are sleeping better now with a clear conscience because they cleared the air and recommitted their obligations to each other, just like in any potential long term relationship. The confidence to take action is the point of the article > it has nothing to do with sacrificing your value system and its not about sitting and waiting for the best to happen.</p>