Comments - The Problem with Recruiters! - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-29T06:41:04Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=502551%3ABlogPost%3A1509251&xn_auth=no@David Wells You are right o…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-03-27:502551:Comment:15353522012-03-27T17:57:20.140ZBrandi Cooperhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Brandi_Cooper
<p>@David Wells You are right on point, well stated.</p>
<p><span>As pointed out before, It’s transparent that Drue cannot generate an authentic sales pitch and is again using this</span> <span>social media platform to spew his ambiguous opinions as part of his marketing campaign. </span></p>
<p>@David Wells You are right on point, well stated.</p>
<p><span>As pointed out before, It’s transparent that Drue cannot generate an authentic sales pitch and is again using this</span> <span>social media platform to spew his ambiguous opinions as part of his marketing campaign. </span></p> @ Drue De Angelis
Don't back…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-03-27:502551:Comment:15351892012-03-27T15:53:40.508ZDavid Wellshttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/DavidWells
<p>@ Drue De Angelis</p>
<p>Don't back off on your statement. This is the opening statement of your blog.</p>
<p>"The problem with recruiters is that most of them are focused on <strong>“closing the deal”</strong>and all else is just details. They will do anything necessary to simply make a placement and invoice their customer. They don’t have their customer’s best interests at heart. His only concern is getting paid and getting past the guarantee period!</p>
<p>That statement focuses on the…</p>
<p>@ Drue De Angelis</p>
<p>Don't back off on your statement. This is the opening statement of your blog.</p>
<p>"The problem with recruiters is that most of them are focused on <strong>“closing the deal”</strong>and all else is just details. They will do anything necessary to simply make a placement and invoice their customer. They don’t have their customer’s best interests at heart. His only concern is getting paid and getting past the guarantee period!</p>
<p>That statement focuses on the <strong>recruiters</strong> and their <strong>actions.</strong></p>
<p>After being excoriated by professional contingent recruiters who chose not to operate in this fashion you then try to back pedal and say the issue is with the contingency search model. That is not, nor has it ever been the case. The contingency model is just fine when carried out by professional who do have their client’s best interest in mind. Does the contingency model allow for some resume brokers to exist who only care about getting paid.... Of course. Every profession has their own ambulance chasers. </p>
<p>You continue to fail to understand how professional contingent recruiters operate and the sad thing is you are continuing to comment on a business model that you obviously do not understand. Until you understand how to reconcile the contingent business model with being a professional I suggest you read more and learn about the business in which you are supposedly an "expert." Actually reading this blog, instead of continuing to post factually incorrect missives, may be a good place to start. Good day.</p> Thanks for the many colorful…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-03-27:502551:Comment:15355132012-03-27T15:36:09.979ZDrue De Angelishttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/DRUEDEANGELIS774
<p>Thanks for the many colorful comments and thought provoking insights. The real problem in this scenario is Contingency Search. The terms associated with it have unintended consequences which in many cases force a recruiter to behave badly often without knowing it. Anytime we are engaged in a practice which does not elevate our clients' best interests to our own, it is a recipe for problems. If you objectively consider my points, you must admit that there is a lot of truth to them and that…</p>
<p>Thanks for the many colorful comments and thought provoking insights. The real problem in this scenario is Contingency Search. The terms associated with it have unintended consequences which in many cases force a recruiter to behave badly often without knowing it. Anytime we are engaged in a practice which does not elevate our clients' best interests to our own, it is a recipe for problems. If you objectively consider my points, you must admit that there is a lot of truth to them and that rather than it being the fault of the recruiter, it is the system which is broken. I've worked both ways and those who I have worked with and moved into a different model have universally approved that it is better for everyone, except perhaps the unemployed candidate. But that isn't who pays our fees anyway. </p>
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<p></p> I agree there are many such r…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-02-24:502551:Comment:15205272012-02-24T20:11:21.193ZPamela Witzighttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/PamelaWitzig
<p>I agree there are many such recruiters out there who are, unfortunately, creating a reputation for the rest of us. Since 1986, <em>as a contingency firm, </em>I have emphasized that it is about building client relationships which is why most of our business is repeat and referral. Short-sightedness just means those recruiters will always be scrambling for new business and one transaction at a time. </p>
<p>I agree there are many such recruiters out there who are, unfortunately, creating a reputation for the rest of us. Since 1986, <em>as a contingency firm, </em>I have emphasized that it is about building client relationships which is why most of our business is repeat and referral. Short-sightedness just means those recruiters will always be scrambling for new business and one transaction at a time. </p> Wow what a firestorm. So I th…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-02-21:502551:Comment:15173822012-02-21T09:12:48.588ZDean Da Costahttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/DeanDaCosta
<p>Wow what a firestorm. So I think the problem Drue is you generalized. You said "The problem with recruiters", this pretty much means everyone, and so we are already thinking huh before we read it. Then you say "most", again a general statement. Have you said some, I am sure it would have been greated better. But saying "recruiters" in big letters, and then "most" in little you make it appear that in your mind all recruiters are like how you described. This is a statement I can tell you for a…</p>
<p>Wow what a firestorm. So I think the problem Drue is you generalized. You said "The problem with recruiters", this pretty much means everyone, and so we are already thinking huh before we read it. Then you say "most", again a general statement. Have you said some, I am sure it would have been greated better. But saying "recruiters" in big letters, and then "most" in little you make it appear that in your mind all recruiters are like how you described. This is a statement I can tell you for a fact is not true. Not to say there are not some, but some is not most, and is not all "recruiters". Perhaps some years ago the word "most" whould have been correct, but never would the assumption all recruiters were like this have been correct and without a doubt not anymore. I do allot of training of recrutiers, and allot of consulting on staffing processess, procedures, metrics, etc and I can tell you for a fact that "most" recruiters are not like this. In fact most corporate recruiters have to deal with a little metrics called candidate satisfaction, soem have to deal with regular candiadtes audits/screenings, adn even more to ensure candidates are treated well.</p>
<p>So as I said I think it was your choice of words that were the problem. Besides comming into a recruiting forum and throwing down the gauntlet the way you did was inviting some...trouble. What you did was like going into a pro baseball locker room and say that all baseball players throw games just becasue of the whitesox fiasco from the 20s. Heck if you did that you would be lucky if you made it out alive.</p> Before the Internet, the art…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-02-13:502551:Comment:15119462012-02-13T13:17:03.250ZKen Forresterhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/KenForrester
<p>Before the Internet, the art of recruiting was a zero-sum game. And a win-at-all cost type of competition among recruiters was the norm. Some recruiters would paint a negative image of their competitors to elevate their value to the client. Unfortunately, those tactics created an image of distrust of all recruiters. It is very troubling to see some of the same attitude of the past still exist in the age of transparency, collaboration and authenticity. The one good thing about this post…</p>
<p>Before the Internet, the art of recruiting was a zero-sum game. And a win-at-all cost type of competition among recruiters was the norm. Some recruiters would paint a negative image of their competitors to elevate their value to the client. Unfortunately, those tactics created an image of distrust of all recruiters. It is very troubling to see some of the same attitude of the past still exist in the age of transparency, collaboration and authenticity. The one good thing about this post is that the voices of the good recruiters have shown how far we have come as a respected profession.</p> Damn - just decided to wrap i…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-02-10:502551:Comment:15111502012-02-10T21:20:52.554ZPaul Alfredhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/PaulAlfred
<p>Damn - just decided to wrap it up on a Friday and thought to myself ... "Let me check in at recruitingblogs.com" Wooow a Major Hurricane Sandra has been stirred up .. I love it ... It seems our man Drue has been out done by the bottom feeders - which do exist in our industry, but to come on to RBC and use the descriptive "Most" ... in, "Most Recruiters" is crazy - Nothing wrong in having an opinion- but to make the assumption that Most recruiters don't work with integrity is crazy -…</p>
<p>Damn - just decided to wrap it up on a Friday and thought to myself ... "Let me check in at recruitingblogs.com" Wooow a Major Hurricane Sandra has been stirred up .. I love it ... It seems our man Drue has been out done by the bottom feeders - which do exist in our industry, but to come on to RBC and use the descriptive "Most" ... in, "Most Recruiters" is crazy - Nothing wrong in having an opinion- but to make the assumption that Most recruiters don't work with integrity is crazy - Clients see through folks who are not thinking about building a trust worthy -long-term relationship - This is where you went wrong with your blog, and your A- G list has all kinds of holes in it I am still on the ground trying contain myself, to write a response getting into any detail. You need perhaps write another Blog the Problem with "Surfers " ... As one needs to earn the right to be called a " Recruiter" in my books.</p> You write in the last sentenc…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-02-10:502551:Comment:15108762012-02-10T18:13:08.181ZBen McGrathhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/BenMcgrath
<p>You write in the last sentence of the openiing paragraph "His only concern is getting paid and getting past the guarantee period!"</p>
<p>Guarantee!!?? Are you in the recruiting business or the candidate retention business. What happens wihtin their organization is not something we can control.</p>
<p>All the best,</p>
<p>Ben</p>
<p>You write in the last sentence of the openiing paragraph "His only concern is getting paid and getting past the guarantee period!"</p>
<p>Guarantee!!?? Are you in the recruiting business or the candidate retention business. What happens wihtin their organization is not something we can control.</p>
<p>All the best,</p>
<p>Ben</p> Jeff - a lot of people in our…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-02-10:502551:Comment:15107842012-02-10T17:57:31.607ZJoe Maddenhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JoeMaddenCPCCTS
<p>Jeff - a lot of people in our business dont like the term 'headhunter. I understand why, and dont begrudge those people. I just dont really care personally. I've actually embraced it. I know what I do, why I'm hired, and I know how well I do it. Bottom line in our business, you want me to find the best there is to increase your bottom line. </p>
<p>You can call me whatever you want, just call me.</p>
<p>Jeff - a lot of people in our business dont like the term 'headhunter. I understand why, and dont begrudge those people. I just dont really care personally. I've actually embraced it. I know what I do, why I'm hired, and I know how well I do it. Bottom line in our business, you want me to find the best there is to increase your bottom line. </p>
<p>You can call me whatever you want, just call me.</p> Wow Drue De Angelis I underst…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2012-02-10:502551:Comment:15109672012-02-10T17:27:07.358ZDavid Wellshttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/DavidWells
<p>Wow Drue De Angelis I understand there are ambulance chasers in every industry, I have just rarely seen someone come out and clearly idenfity themselves as one, as you so eloquently have! Cheers!</p>
<p>Wow Drue De Angelis I understand there are ambulance chasers in every industry, I have just rarely seen someone come out and clearly idenfity themselves as one, as you so eloquently have! Cheers!</p>