Comments - The Modern Recruiter - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-28T13:22:46Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=502551%3ABlogPost%3A1798729&xn_auth=noFoundations always need to be…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2014-04-08:502551:Comment:17990412014-04-08T16:07:20.339ZSteve Levyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Dieselevy
<p>Foundations always need to be inspected and updating - this is my issue with the bulk of our profession. Folks in this thread would NEVER refer to themselves as experts - and when we discover something new and cool, we share it around. This is what I'm talking about...</p>
<p>Foundations always need to be inspected and updating - this is my issue with the bulk of our profession. Folks in this thread would NEVER refer to themselves as experts - and when we discover something new and cool, we share it around. This is what I'm talking about...</p> I see where you are. I just…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2014-04-08:502551:Comment:17990402014-04-08T16:00:56.465ZPete Radloffhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/PeteRadloff
<p>I see where you are. I just think its a good foundation for them. Certainly not the end all be all. </p>
<p>I see where you are. I just think its a good foundation for them. Certainly not the end all be all. </p> @Sandra- nor does telling som…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2014-04-08:502551:Comment:17989582014-04-08T15:56:08.725ZSteve Levyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Dieselevy
<p>@Sandra- nor does telling someone you "love" their resume...</p>
<p>@Pete - if I had a nickel for every AIRS certified recruiter/sourcer who lacked the common sense to think beyond the Boolean. I'll give you my "best" search strings and it's highly likely you won't get "them" to respond; I will. It's like (I'm sure Sandra will like this one) guns: Guns don't kill people, people kill people.</p>
<p>@Sandra- nor does telling someone you "love" their resume...</p>
<p>@Pete - if I had a nickel for every AIRS certified recruiter/sourcer who lacked the common sense to think beyond the Boolean. I'll give you my "best" search strings and it's highly likely you won't get "them" to respond; I will. It's like (I'm sure Sandra will like this one) guns: Guns don't kill people, people kill people.</p> I agree with you all, and I t…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2014-04-08:502551:Comment:17990392014-04-08T15:43:34.651ZPete Radloffhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/PeteRadloff
<p>I agree with you all, and I think I was a bit misguided in my comment. I was thinking more of training for recruiters - a la AIRS, etc. while all the CIR, CSSR, CDR alphabet soup in the world doesnt mean diddly, they are good foundations that can be applied immediately. I just wish they were more affordable than they currently are priced. I think alot of companies shy away because of price (or not wanting to make the investment in recruiting). Great points all. </p>
<p>I agree with you all, and I think I was a bit misguided in my comment. I was thinking more of training for recruiters - a la AIRS, etc. while all the CIR, CSSR, CDR alphabet soup in the world doesnt mean diddly, they are good foundations that can be applied immediately. I just wish they were more affordable than they currently are priced. I think alot of companies shy away because of price (or not wanting to make the investment in recruiting). Great points all. </p> Certifications and degrees do…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2014-04-08:502551:Comment:17989562014-04-08T15:36:45.539ZSandra McCartthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/SandraMcCartt
Certifications and degrees don't mean squat. If I had a nickel for every resume I have seen from failed brokers with all their series licensure I would never have to work again. I would much rather see a candidate for a recruiter spot who had some proven business success in retail management, sales, anything that has put them in a position of dealing with people. Restaurant management as strange as it may sound is a good background. Working with people who buy at the same time managing and…
Certifications and degrees don't mean squat. If I had a nickel for every resume I have seen from failed brokers with all their series licensure I would never have to work again. I would much rather see a candidate for a recruiter spot who had some proven business success in retail management, sales, anything that has put them in a position of dealing with people. Restaurant management as strange as it may sound is a good background. Working with people who buy at the same time managing and scheduling a staff.<br />
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In my opinion no matter how bright or educated a kid is they can't perform if they don't understand what they hear from either a client or a candidate. Key words do not a recruiter make. All- When I think of certific…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2014-04-08:502551:Comment:17988772014-04-08T12:17:20.526ZSteve Levyhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/Dieselevy
<p>All- When I think of certification or licensing, I think of Driver's Licenses: Folks still do the dumbest things behind the wheel of a car. What I've found in all these years recruiting - and in talking about the profession with each of you (Keith, I'm SURE we've spoken some time in the past) - is that no no amount of recruiter certification will improve the product: seriously, have the SHRM certs "improved" HR performance? Is the average "HR Professional" and more competent as a recruiter…</p>
<p>All- When I think of certification or licensing, I think of Driver's Licenses: Folks still do the dumbest things behind the wheel of a car. What I've found in all these years recruiting - and in talking about the profession with each of you (Keith, I'm SURE we've spoken some time in the past) - is that no no amount of recruiter certification will improve the product: seriously, have the SHRM certs "improved" HR performance? Is the average "HR Professional" and more competent as a recruiter than the average "Recruiting Professional"?</p>
<p>Don't give me certifications, give me performance...</p> Agreed, I was using it more f…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2014-04-08:502551:Comment:17988632014-04-08T04:49:16.623ZPete Radloffhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/PeteRadloff
<p>Agreed, I was using it more for point counter point. Not the best example. Series 7 or 63 maybe? :)</p>
<p>Agreed, I was using it more for point counter point. Not the best example. Series 7 or 63 maybe? :)</p> @Steve. Excellent! I'd just l…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2014-04-08:502551:Comment:17989172014-04-08T00:37:15.078ZKelly Blokdijkhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/KellyBlokdijk
<p>@Steve. Excellent! I'd just like to send all of the sub-par species to you for a stern talking to... And, when you are finished with them, you can hand them off to Sandra just in case. </p>
<p>@Pete - IMHO the HR certifications simply prove someone was able to pass a test. From what I've heard, the vast majority of PHR/SPHR holders didn't become certified simply by knowing "stuff" from doing real-world stuff. They spent big bucks to purchase study materials and/or attend the issuing…</p>
<p>@Steve. Excellent! I'd just like to send all of the sub-par species to you for a stern talking to... And, when you are finished with them, you can hand them off to Sandra just in case. </p>
<p>@Pete - IMHO the HR certifications simply prove someone was able to pass a test. From what I've heard, the vast majority of PHR/SPHR holders didn't become certified simply by knowing "stuff" from doing real-world stuff. They spent big bucks to purchase study materials and/or attend the issuing organization's and affiliate's profit-driving seminars and workshops until they memorized enough information. That doesn't necessarily translate to mastery of the HR body of knowledge, but that's what those letters seem to signify. </p>
<p>Not sure if that's the case in other industries. </p> Personally, I LIKE the idea t…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2014-04-07:502551:Comment:17985922014-04-07T20:15:17.776ZKeith Halperinhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/KeithHalperin
<p>Personally, I LIKE the idea that we're so unregulated, the barrier to entry is so low, and there are so many folks doing this who shouldn't. Why? As the saying goes: "In the Country of the Blind, the one-eyed man is king."</p>
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<p>Personally, I LIKE the idea that we're so unregulated, the barrier to entry is so low, and there are so many folks doing this who shouldn't. Why? As the saying goes: "In the Country of the Blind, the one-eyed man is king."</p>
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<p>-kh</p> I agree Pete. I used to not a…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2014-04-07:502551:Comment:17985912014-04-07T18:56:40.588ZDerdiverhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/SWITM
<p>I agree Pete. I used to not agree with the idea but without self regulation thus far we are seeing ourselves being regulated by BIG government in this country. I think it is about time. </p>
<p>I agree Pete. I used to not agree with the idea but without self regulation thus far we are seeing ourselves being regulated by BIG government in this country. I think it is about time. </p>