Comments - I am Black and I am Proud - RecruitingBlogs2024-03-29T00:15:41Zhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=502551%3ABlogPost%3A819621&xn_auth=no"Do I hate white folks? Is th…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-16:502551:Comment:8205042009-12-16T02:00:31.965ZPeter Claytonhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/totalpicture
"Do I hate white folks? Is that your question? Do all black people hate whites? Let me put your mind at rest — you bet we do." These are the lines spoken by David Alan Grier in a new David Mamet play, titled "Race"<br />
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Race is about the prickly and painful issues that arise out of a legal case. (There's a <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121348497" target="_blank">great interview with Grier on NPR</a><br />
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A wealthy white man, played by Richard Thomas, is accused of raping…
"Do I hate white folks? Is that your question? Do all black people hate whites? Let me put your mind at rest — you bet we do." These are the lines spoken by David Alan Grier in a new David Mamet play, titled "Race"<br />
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Race is about the prickly and painful issues that arise out of a legal case. (There's a <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121348497" target="_blank">great interview with Grier on NPR</a><br />
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A wealthy white man, played by Richard Thomas, is accused of raping a black woman. He seeks legal representation at a law firm run by two partners — a white lawyer played by James Spader and a black lawyer played by Grier.<br />
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All of the characters test audience assumptions about racial allegiance and gender politics. Grier says he thinks Mamet was prompted to write the play by the election of Barack Obama.<br />
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I think prejudice is alive and well here in the US and in most of the developed world. There is bias against age, race, gender, sexual orientation. There's a bias against tattoos and body piercings. The glass ceiling is still with us as well as the gray ceiling. (I could dye my hair, but no one is going to think I'm 30 years old).<br />
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I commend Carmen for her belief in authenticity. At some point, you're going to have to show up for an interview. I think you should show up as yourself. As an original.<br />
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I do believe, as we move into the next decade, companies TRULY wanting to embrace and promote diversity will win. They'll be able to attract and retain the best talent. Meant to include an example.…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-15:502551:Comment:8202322009-12-15T20:44:40.809ZChristian Fauchaldhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ChristianFauchald
Meant to include an example. My mother's family. When they showed up in America, it was Örso. Their adopted American name is Johnson.
Meant to include an example. My mother's family. When they showed up in America, it was Örso. Their adopted American name is Johnson. Carmen,
Last year when I was…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-15:502551:Comment:8202312009-12-15T20:38:50.947ZRandy Levinsonhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/RandyLevinson
Carmen,<br />
Last year when I was working on my resume another recruiter suggested that I take off my few lines of volunteerism or at least try to genericize them away from the fact that they were in the Jewish community and also remove some real Jobs I had Jewish institutions. I understood what he was saying but it ratcheted up my disappointment in other people a little bit. What was most interesting is that when I mentioned this to a non-Jewish person who was one of my co-workers she said she…
Carmen,<br />
Last year when I was working on my resume another recruiter suggested that I take off my few lines of volunteerism or at least try to genericize them away from the fact that they were in the Jewish community and also remove some real Jobs I had Jewish institutions. I understood what he was saying but it ratcheted up my disappointment in other people a little bit. What was most interesting is that when I mentioned this to a non-Jewish person who was one of my co-workers she said she would never think to leave that experience off her resume. So it really is only because I am Jewish working in a Jewish environment that appears to raise an eyebrow. Similarly, if I had ever worked for the NAACP I would never think it an issue to put on my resume while it may cause others to pause before doing so because of their cultural and racial background.<br />
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On a lighter note (I think) Maren’s comment totally made me think of the old television show “Remington Steele” that starred Stephanie Zimbalist and Pierce Brosnan. The plot of the show was that she was getting no work as a female private detective so she hires him to pose as her made up “boss” because a man was more apt to be successful in that line of work than a woman. Millions of immigrants change…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-15:502551:Comment:8202232009-12-15T20:32:42.412ZChristian Fauchaldhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ChristianFauchald
Millions of immigrants changed their names, either at Ellis Island, during naturalization or one or two generations later. Why did they do it? Because they wanted to become Americans. They wanted their names to sound American. They wanted to disassociate with being foreigners in the new land. They wanted to assimilate. Everyone did it, <i>including white people.</i><br />
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They're still doing that and they do it on their resumes, too.
Millions of immigrants changed their names, either at Ellis Island, during naturalization or one or two generations later. Why did they do it? Because they wanted to become Americans. They wanted their names to sound American. They wanted to disassociate with being foreigners in the new land. They wanted to assimilate. Everyone did it, <i>including white people.</i><br />
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They're still doing that and they do it on their resumes, too. Very thought provoking articl…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-15:502551:Comment:8200242009-12-15T19:18:35.475ZSharon Jimenez Meyershttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/SharonJimenezMeyers
Very thought provoking article and I do see your point and have seen resumes that do that. It is extremely sad that people still feel the need to do this. And it is done....from Latino sounding names to African American, Asian, etc.<br />
As a recruiter and a Latina I have seen it done countless times... rather than pretending it does not exist, question why does it exist, why do people feel the need to do it?<br />
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Thank you for this article.<br />
Sharon Jimenez Meyers
Very thought provoking article and I do see your point and have seen resumes that do that. It is extremely sad that people still feel the need to do this. And it is done....from Latino sounding names to African American, Asian, etc.<br />
As a recruiter and a Latina I have seen it done countless times... rather than pretending it does not exist, question why does it exist, why do people feel the need to do it?<br />
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Thank you for this article.<br />
Sharon Jimenez Meyers I'm surprised to see an "I am…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-15:502551:Comment:8199362009-12-15T18:00:09.513ZJerry Albrighthttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/JerryAlbright
I'm surprised to see an "I am Black and I am Proud" thread here - just as I would be to see an "I am White and I am Proud" thread or any other such theme......
I'm surprised to see an "I am Black and I am Proud" thread here - just as I would be to see an "I am White and I am Proud" thread or any other such theme...... I'd have to disagree with the…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-15:502551:Comment:8199292009-12-15T17:56:20.919ZChristian Fauchaldhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/ChristianFauchald
I'd have to disagree with the notion that making one's resume less black, less Indian, or less anything else automatically makes it appear more white. It simply makes it less black/Indian/etc and more homogeneous... and being considered for one's accomplishments <i>should</i> be the focus, should it not?<br />
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The fact that people would consider such acts "whitening" rather than homogenizing is indicative of their own bias, rather than the bias of unknown others.<br />
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This is America: we're…
I'd have to disagree with the notion that making one's resume less black, less Indian, or less anything else automatically makes it appear more white. It simply makes it less black/Indian/etc and more homogeneous... and being considered for one's accomplishments <i>should</i> be the focus, should it not?<br />
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The fact that people would consider such acts "whitening" rather than homogenizing is indicative of their own bias, rather than the bias of unknown others.<br />
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This is America: we're <i>supposed</i> to assimilate. The purpose of its existence was to create a place where people are not to be judged by their color or caste, their gender, religion or sexual preference, but by their character and their accomplishments. This is the collective goal which hundreds of millions have been striving to reach for two centuries... and personally, I don't think homogenizing is such a bad thing. After all, we are all one people and if we're not yet, this may be a good step toward getting there.<br />
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I believe in taking personal pride in where(and who) you came from, but I don't believe in making it <i>who you are.</i> Seems to me that if we make those things our history rather than our identity, then bias will become history, too.<br />
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I am Norwegian and I am proud, but you sure as hell won't find Sons of Norway on my resume, nor a membership card in my wallet, because Norway is simply where my ancestors came from. As for me, I'm just another cog in the American dream machine... and of that, I am very proud.<br />
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Ask Canadian what nationality they are and they'll give you a funny look and say, "I'm Canadian!" They don't even think beyond that. If you ask for further clarification, they look at you like you're nuts. I admire that greatly about them. I hope Americans will get there soon and I think we can do it, but the first step is in changing our own minds. Carmen, bravo for writing thi…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-15:502551:Comment:8198312009-12-15T16:50:31.579ZKaren Swimhttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/KarenSwim
Carmen, bravo for writing this post! Maren, I knew about "James" before the public outing and share your insights and questions. I work with professionals to get hired. So, I write resumes, bios and help them with their branding and search strategy. People not only struggle with "whitening" the resume but in the U.S. people want to remove anything that speaks to culture, or religion that would hinder them from getting hired. As such if they volunteer at faith based organizations they remove it.…
Carmen, bravo for writing this post! Maren, I knew about "James" before the public outing and share your insights and questions. I work with professionals to get hired. So, I write resumes, bios and help them with their branding and search strategy. People not only struggle with "whitening" the resume but in the U.S. people want to remove anything that speaks to culture, or religion that would hinder them from getting hired. As such if they volunteer at faith based organizations they remove it. Anything that suggests a political belief is removed. African Americans, Middle Eastern, Asians and so many other ethnic groups feel the need to "whitewash" their race and heritage. Maren, you are right on there are deeper problems and we should be working to solve them. Bottom line is that bias exists. Carmen and all of us are part of the solution because we are brave enough to at least admit there's a problem and have an open, respectful discussion about it. Yet, there is more that we can all do and I believe it begins with examining our own biases and not allowing those biases to color our decisions. Again, Carmen thank you for posting on this issue. Interesting article, Carmen.…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-15:502551:Comment:8198262009-12-15T16:46:59.718ZDavid Georgehttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/DavidGeorge
Interesting article, Carmen. I'm white (not that it should matter), so I can honestly say that I cannot relate to this on a personal level. I can, however, say from a recruiter's standpoint that I have never not called someone whose resume I encountered because they appeared "too black" or "too asian" or "too whatever". It's just stupid. You can't judge someone's qualifications, personality traits, work ethic, or anything based upon that criteria. It is completely illogical. I understand that…
Interesting article, Carmen. I'm white (not that it should matter), so I can honestly say that I cannot relate to this on a personal level. I can, however, say from a recruiter's standpoint that I have never not called someone whose resume I encountered because they appeared "too black" or "too asian" or "too whatever". It's just stupid. You can't judge someone's qualifications, personality traits, work ethic, or anything based upon that criteria. It is completely illogical. I understand that there are people out there who probably do this because of personal prejudices and they should not be in the business of hiring people, because they risk losing out on some great employees, which will hurt their company over both the short and long term. I like to think that most people are better than that and I really do believe those who discriminate are in the vast minority these days. Hopefully this completely insane practice of judging people by irrelevant criteria will disappear from our society completely before too long. Thank you so much for this co…tag:recruitingblogs.com,2009-12-15:502551:Comment:8196352009-12-15T04:49:32.024ZMargo Rosehttps://recruitingblogs.com/profile/MargoRose
Thank you so much for this compelling post.
Thank you so much for this compelling post.