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Permalink Reply by Martin Burns on March 15, 2012 at 9:42am

Yes - I think it's it's inevitable once you've  been out there in the world for long enough that you're going to run into people who think that's a fine approach to their business career. Particularly when you're a third-party recruiter, and they don't have to look at you in the office every day,

 

The key is keeping good documentation on your end, it case it's worth defending against, and not working with that person gooing forward (fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me...).

 

All that said, there are a few times where I _asked_ to be thrown under the bus if I knew it would greatly benefit my client, and not have much noticable damage on me. Taking a bullet when it counts can cement a relationship real quick.

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Permalink Reply by Brian K. Johnston on March 15, 2012 at 12:34pm

Daily... It's recommended to move the needle in an ethical/moral way to increase influence/persuasion. (NLP)

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Permalink Reply by Bill Schultz on March 15, 2012 at 12:58pm

If it's daily, you must have SF Muni for a client (known for running over people frequently).

But, if you take your ego out of it, as you should, I don't consider it being thrown under the bus.  I think what Brian is trying to say is in negotiations, the client may use you as the fall guy. i.e. "Well Bill told me you would take $120k"  That is fine with me if it brings me closer to a deal.

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Permalink Reply by Amy Ala Miller on March 15, 2012 at 2:23pm

It appears I'm in good company. :) At least once a day, depends on how many of my managers are on vacation/out of the office that day. No different for internals. My favorite was when a hiring manager thanked me over and over again for this hire - couldn't say enough great things about her and she was 1 of 6 candidates he interviewed. Well, fast forward 8 months, she's not working out and the story is "Amy TOLD me to hire her!"

 

That's why I never delete an email.

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Permalink Reply by Brian K. Johnston on March 15, 2012 at 4:15pm

Bingo!  (Note to self: Bill Schultz is a critical thinker)

Bill Schultz said:

If it's daily, you must have SF Muni for a client (known for running over people frequently).

But, if you take your ego out of it, as you should, I don't consider it being thrown under the bus.  I think what Brian is trying to say is in negotiations, the client may use you as the fall guy. i.e. "Well Bill told me you would take $120k"  That is fine with me if it brings me closer to a deal.

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Permalink Reply by Brian K. Johnston on March 15, 2012 at 4:16pm

Bingo!

Amy Ala said:

It appears I'm in good company. :) At least once a day, depends on how many of my managers are on vacation/out of the office that day. No different for internals. My favorite was when a hiring manager thanked me over and over again for this hire - couldn't say enough great things about her and she was 1 of 6 candidates he interviewed. Well, fast forward 8 months, she's not working out and the story is "Amy TOLD me to hire her!"

 

That's why I never delete an email.

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