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I respect your comments but I also disagree. These rules don't stink, and there are many companies, including recruiting companies that have grown extensively by hiring individuals the correct way!
What made this country fail is Greed and Fraud.. when you screw the employees over, and cheapen labor, then there is no one left to buy the product that you have to sell.. It is Reaganomics in Reverse.. That is what happened in America.. -- IT is THIS fraud and Abuse THAT GOT us into this recession in the first place
You can't keep Feeding the Top of the Tree, ignore the base and the Roots, and expect the tree to survive.. 98 Percent of the Population are the Roots and base of the tree
For the past 8 years, our misery index Rose to abnormal highs, whilst were were lied to about how great the economy was.. We saw more and more Americans have their jobs displaced by foreign labor, - Cheap foreign labor..
Did the product get cheaper in Cost? No, but it got cheaply made, and guess what, with the jobs lost, there became less and less consumer buying power..
The CEO's got richer.. and We see that 98 Percent of America's wealth was controlled by 2 percent of the Population.. These people by the way don't buy the Mass produced product that Most companies manufacture, produce or service..
So who was left to buy the Mass product? You? me? the average Joe who didn't have a job anymore? or the individuals in his neighbourhood who depended on his dollar..
It was the individuals who perpetuated the fraud and said, He employee, we don't care about You, and what You bring to the table.. we only care about making sure that My OffShore Account gets' bigger.. and who cares if I lose my job, or the company get's bankrupt.. shoot my pocket is full.
Jim, in American the Small Business is the Largest Employer.. and yes, there are many who grow effectively, and prosperously, w/o having to worry about the IRS or FSLA .
They don't worry about the IRS or FSLA, because they don't try to Cheat their Employees, and they don't try to screw the system.. which in the longrun, creates Extremely anti competitive and Unfair business practices..
AND I AM a small business owner -- actually I own 2 today.. and Hopefully will be employing employees with our growth.. Retention I believe will not be a problem, because I plan to pay fairly and competitively..
Wow, thanks for letting me get this off my chest..
and No, I don't think that these Rules SUCK -- because I have been an Employee, like most of the World, and I know what it is liked to be abused and screwed over by employers.. where your hard work is taken advantage of, not recognized, and definitely not reimbursed as it should be or as promised..
Jim Durbin said:This discussion is one of the reasons it's going to be so hard to pull ourselves out of recession.
You'd have to be a bloody fool to hire employees if the IRS and DOL start really cracking down on businesses. These rules supposedly help employees, but what they really do is make sure that only large companies with money to pay for employment attorneys ever do the hiring. In countries that make it hard to hire, unemployment is endemic (France and Germany), or underground (Italy). The pain of getting rid of a bad worker is so high, companies are reluctant to hire, which leads to 10% unemployment and (50% for people under the age of 25).
Most recruiters are small businesses, but as is very clear, you can lose your business if you hire someone. You take all the risk, and the employee gets "taken care of" by the nanny state government, which is really just bureaucrats without the ability to run businesses themselves.
Take a look at how many staffing firm owners layed off all of their employees, cover their own reqs, and now make as much net profit as they did with a lot less stress. Ask them if it's worth it to hire someone, train them, and hope it works out. Especially with taxes clearing needing to go up to 50% on high earners to cover our debt, more strict rules, less overall business, and so much paperwork that you don't get to actually do your job.
Karen, you might be right about the rules, but the rules stink.
Again I say - Who is John Galt?
California, the state where you work, is experiencing a net migration loss, and has been since 2003. Businesses and individuals are fleeing the regulatory problems of a government that institutes "fairness" for employees. The result? Some of the highest unemployment in the country despite having what was once the world's seventh largest economy. That's a pretty strong argument that the regulatory environment of your state has tipped too far past sanity for business owners.
There is a limit as to how much regulation business can take on - and it's clear your state has reached it.
As for your complaints about CEO's - this hogwash of a stimulus bill just gave $1 billion in tax breaks to Paul Allen, the owner of Charter Communications. Meanwhile, small business get next to nothing, except a horde of regulations that make it harder to compete with large corporations. Big companies love regulation - because they have the campaign contributions and access to tweak it in their direction. They have the money to absorb foolish costs.
Small companies live in fear of such government regulations. And for those able, offshoring is the answer. You want jobs in the US? Quit screwing the people who make the jobs!
This thread is about commission only employees. Jason's experience proves our point. There's too much risk in hiring. He still wants to grow, but he's not willing to risk his company to do so. And every hire is a risk that could end your company and bankrupt you. Who in their right mind would hire someone under those conditions? The conditions you want to impose!
Maybe if we had more common sense laws, and less corporate-leaning employment giveaways, he could do the right thing and hire people. Maybe if laws weren't constantly expanded to buy votes giving new "rights" to healthcare, a "living wage" or "fairness" as defined by a bureaucrat who has never held a real job, we wouldn't be facing a long-term slide into permanent 10% unemployment.
Look at France, Germany, and Italy. You know the job you want in those countries? A government job. You don't want to be the underclass there, where 50% of the poor and immigrant are unemployed.
I personally prefer freedom. I don't assume business owners are crooked and employees are noble. But then again, I take responsibility for myself and pay my taxes, mortgage and healthcare insurance. Guess that makes me a sucker in today's economy.