Consider this - suppose that a company used a ruse call to you pretending to be someone they were not. Listed a job with you , provided an email address and an unlisted phone number. They obtained candidates from you using the ruse (lie). then 30 days later those candidates were interviewed and subsquently one was hired by another company you were working with but of course not through you because they got the first candidates by using a ruse call. Would it be unethical of them to obtain candidates from you by misrepresenting who they were? Hmmmm..so you don't think that could happen because of course you have safeguards in place to keep anyone from playing the game with you. It happens all the time and has for years. Matter of fact one of our hiring managers got so mad about a recruiter calling his key people during work that he had a friend list a position with the recruiter, collect several resumes, cancel the search and forward the resumes to him. He hired all three. When the recruiter threw a fit and demanded to know where he got the resumes the hiring manger told him he got them the same way the recruiter had gotten the resumes of people from his department so the recruiter could figure it out. Turned around it sure does look unethical doesn't it? Nope just a ruse call.
Dave Templeman said:Without a doubt I've told a lie. I hope my post didn't come across "holier than thou". The original question was does anyone with a Christian background question their morals. The answer to that is if you are using unethical or dishonest means to an end yes you should be questioning your morals. As I've matured I've found other ways to accomplish the same endgame without having to compromise my values.
With regards to Christianity, I consider myself a man of very deep faith. It hasn't always been like that, but that is who I've grown up to be. I love God and I am thankful that He loves me. But I'm still a sinner, just like everyone else reading this. No better, no worse.
Nick Leslie-Miller said:Dave Templeman said:As a Christian I don't think you need to lie to a gatekeeper to get past them. I also don't think you need to use unethical methods to research a company. As a matter of fact, the people who make it a habit of using unethical or dishonest methods of advancing their business are usually exposed. Keep these words of Paul in mind next time you are considering doing something less than honest in your efforts to make a buck. Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving(Colossians 3:23-24)
Director of Recruiting
RiverPoint Group LLC
Have you ever told a lie?
As a thirty-year veteran recruiter/headhunter/search consultant/choose your title consultant, I have yet to achieve the ability to go to my source company, open the trunk of my BMW, go inside the building, find the candidate of choice, put them in my trunk, drive to my client, open the trunk again and say "here is your new employer"!.
As happens in these debates sometimes more questions are raised than answered...
1) If it is against the law to ruse can someone cite a case in which there has been a prosecution? What was the outcome?
2) Has anyone told their four-year old that Santa, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny not only exist but reward good children for being good. Technically, is that or is that not, lying?
3) Confucius said: "It is better to tell a lie and create harmony in the world than to tell the truth and create discord. As it applies in business, as to life in general, true or false?
4) Is being a politician unethical?
Ami, super questions - I don't have children yet, so I haven't told the Santa lie :) However, you're a deep thinker . . . so I have question you may enjoy:
a. Who was more likely to be a "Big-Biller": Niccolo Machiavelli or Mother Theresa? Hoping not to indict my own beliefs in any way (i.e. become a human pinata!), I say Machiavelli. I suggest him in this scenario because he held held that public success and private morality are mutually exclusive, at least for a Prince. His question was not "What makes a good human being", but rather, "What makes a good prince." P.S. In answering, consider my question . . . not your own morals, but rather the question itself. Who was more likely to be a "Big Biller": Machiavelli or Mother Theresa?
This is an answer to Ami's question about whether there is a legal case where someone created a ruse to get through to a candidate and what was the outcome.