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Permalink Reply by Maureen Sharib on March 31, 2009 at 7:52am

Your pic above = interesting allegory

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Permalink Reply by Recruiting Animal on March 31, 2009 at 8:02am

Maureen, yours is an interesting comparison but it is, alas, anachronistic. Rasputin became famous during the era of the Russian Revolution (1917). Svengali was a character in Trilby, a novel written by George Du Maurier who died in 1896. It was published in 1894.

Also, Rasputin was a salacious, Russian Orthodox monk. Svengali, although from Poland which was then part of Russia, was a musician of a somewhat different persuasion.

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Permalink Reply by Maureen Sharib on March 31, 2009 at 8:20am

Uhhhh I missed that one entirely!
;)

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Permalink Reply by Amitai Givertz on March 31, 2009 at 8:50am

I think we may be confusing distinctly different forms of persuasion:

1) Seduction
2) Propaganda
3) Deception

To some degree or another I guess we could find instances of each in recruiting. While most recruiters would deny that they consciously or unconsciously practice any combination of these "strategies" the truth is average/lame recruiters [read: salespeople] can rarely demonstrate their antitheses:

4) Transparency
5) Authenticity

I believe Jerry's quote belies why he is one of the top recruiters. He gets 4) and 5) without compromising his legitimate use of 1), 2), and 3).

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Permalink Reply by Recruiting Animal on March 31, 2009 at 8:57am

Ami, R U accusing Jerry Jerry of deception?

(I was accused of it last week by the way. Some people think I'm "duplicitous.. Given to or marked by deliberate deceptiveness in behavior or speech.")

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Permalink Reply by Jerry Albright on March 31, 2009 at 9:17am

A word on deception: if anyone believes their role (in recruiting) is to deceive and trick people into taking the wrong job they are going to be overworked and underpaid.

What I meant in the quote above is very simple. In being the recruiter going about telling candidates what a "great" opportunity you have you spend your time being the one talking. When you change your goal from telling the world about your job and inviting THEM to TELL YOU what they think of the opportunity you will (at some point based on skill, ability to referral and then engage) HEAR someone tell you why it is the right position for them.

It's really the only approach that makes sense. For me there is no confusion.

Seduction? Maybe. Isn't any step forward in one's career seductive? A promotion has great appeal in my book.

Propaganda? I'll agree here. Our job in sales is to present info at the right time and place as to achieve the greatest impact on the sales process. I could go on for a few hours (or days) about how and when to close (ie: present a selling point) but we'll save that for another day.

Deception? No need for lies if you choose your clients and candidates wisely.

Transparency? This has several meanings as far as I can tell. If it's the kind of transparency wherein you are expected to show your cards at the beginning of every hand - then I'll have to disagree. We are in sales here, aren't we? Let's not be naive about it........

Authenticity? Absolutely.

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Permalink Reply by Recruiting Animal on March 31, 2009 at 9:20am

Jerry Jerry said:
I could go on for a few hours (or days) about how and when to close (ie: present a selling point) but we'll save that for another day.

Sorry, Jerry, that's not quite true. Whenever you actually get a chance to go on all day, you clam up!

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Permalink Reply by Amitai Givertz on March 31, 2009 at 9:22am

I'm not accusing Jerry of anything, I'm complimenting him.

We seem to have a knee jerk reaction to the idea of deception because it implies "I'm being victimized!" It's a me-centric response which excludes the possibilities of understanding the virtue of deception -- given a noble intent.

Example: Camouflage is a tool of deception. Is it right or wrong?

Your nailed duplicitous. It's not the same as deception.

Recruiting Animal said:

Ami, R U accusing Jerry Jerry of deception?
(I was accused of it last week by the way. Some people think I'm "duplicitous.. Given to or marked by deliberate deceptiveness in behavior or speech.")

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Permalink Reply by Jerry Albright on March 31, 2009 at 9:23am

I'm half Irish and half Clam. What do you expect from me?

Recruiting Animal said:

Jerry Jerry said:
I could go on for a few hours (or days) about how and when to close (ie: present a selling point) but we'll save that for another day.

Sorry, Jerry, that's not quite true. Whenever you actually get a chance to go on all day, you clam up!

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Permalink Reply by Jerry Albright on March 31, 2009 at 9:27am

Hi Ami. Thanks for the compliment - but I can't accept it. Deception is not part of my tool box - noble intent or not. I'm not quite sure how the idea got started but it's incorrect.

Lies = bad business.

Amitai Givertz said:

I'm not accusing Jerry of anything, I'm complimenting him.

We seem to have a knee jerk reaction to the idea of deception because it implies "I'm being victimized!" It's a me-centric response which excludes the possibilities of understanding the virtue of deception -- given a noble intent.

Example: Camouflage is a tool of deception. Is it right or wrong?

Your nailed duplicitous. It's not the same as deception.

Recruiting Animal said:

Ami, R U accusing Jerry Jerry of deception?

(I was accused of it last week by the way. Some people think I'm "duplicitous.. Given to or marked by deliberate deceptiveness in behavior or speech.")

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Permalink Reply by Recruiting Animal on March 31, 2009 at 9:34am

Jerry Jerry said:: I'm half Irish and half Clam. What do you expect from me?

There you go, putting down of the Clams again. Can't you be a little more diverse?

Ami Ami said: that deception can be good -- given a noble intent. Okay, but lets get some better examples. Camo is used in war to benefit the de-ceiver at the expense of the per-ceiver.

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Permalink Reply by Dan Nuroo on March 31, 2009 at 9:37am

Showing my lack of vocabulary here, but I'm with you Jerry.

Tricking someone, or misleading someone into a job never works out (not that I have seen anyway) from an inhouse perspective, people leave, and you lose credibility, TPR, people leave and you have a replacement or guarantee to honour.

But yeah, present your case in the best possible light by all means it's your job!

Jerry Albright said:

Hi Ami. Thanks for the compliment - but I can't accept it. Deception is not part of my tool box - noble intent or not. I'm not quite sure how the idea got started but it's incorrect.

Lies = bad business.

Amitai Givertz said:

I'm not accusing Jerry of anything, I'm complimenting him.

We seem to have a knee jerk reaction to the idea of deception because it implies "I'm being victimized!" It's a me-centric response which excludes the possibilities of understanding the virtue of deception -- given a noble intent.

Example: Camouflage is a tool of deception. Is it right or wrong?

Your nailed duplicitous. It's not the same as deception.

Recruiting Animal said:

Ami, R U accusing Jerry Jerry of deception?

(I was accused of it last week by the way. Some people think I'm "duplicitous.. Given to or marked by deliberate deceptiveness in behavior or speech.")

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