We have a dilemma brewing and I dunno if any of you have noticed it. I WISH I had this problem to address on my sites. Be that as it may, here goes:

BadGuys are chomping at the bit to have at it with Aggie in his RBC blog posting about his RPO Recruitment Process Offsourcing/shoring services where he proclaims: “We are specialized in providing RPO services.”

Jason feels the criticism in the string has become nasty and vitriolic (actually he called it vicious and intimidating, “…like a gang ganged up on somebody.”)

Uh, yeah. That would be the BadGuys gang. Hey, I unnerstan’ perfectly well how Agastus Naik’s service could save 80% in recruitment costs for a client in two month – I’ve been doing that for 'nigh on thirteen years myself! But it’s the approach that has everyone up in arms – now, before any fingers start pointing let it be known I’m not claiming any Miss Innocence title here – I learned the hard lessons that Mr. Naik is about to discover a long time ago.

Our mission states:
We are a hit squad. A roaming band of vigilante commenters. Our target: hot air recruiting bloggers
Those of us in the Bad Guys gang have our own formulas to run up against – we can either be listed or black-listed to the following categories:
Currently Active Members
Supposed To Be Active Members
Membership Status Unclear
Don't Seem To Belong Here
So what the heck are we supposed to do? We have taken sacred vows. When we see a frothy target we are sworn to aim (or knock).

Bang bang bang on the door baby!
Knock a little louder baby!
Bang bang bang on the door baby!
I can't hear you
Bang bang on the door baby
Bang bang on the door
Bang bang on the door baby
Bang bang
You're what?... Tin roof, rusted!

Lyrics
Song

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I actually did not read Agastus's blog till after I heard about "the bad guys" from Maureen on Twitter, yesterday morning (PDT). While I have no issues regarding flaming someone who wants to interject an ad into another person's post, this concept of organized "name calling", does not feel right. Also Agastus's blog was not the only one listed, there is a also link to a blog posted on "Fist Full of Talent", which appears to be more of an opinion peace.

If organized attacks like this continue on RBC I feel that it will have long term implications on its growth. People who are just starting to blog (of which I am one, and not a regular one at that :)) may fear such attacks on their well meaning blog.

Steve Levy said:
Steve et. al.

I'll ask the question that others have not asked...why did this start?

We were having another one of our ubiquitous BountyJobs discussions when Agastus elected to toss in a tangential, highly-canned comment abou... - it smacked of bait-and-switchness.

You will eventually come to recognize that these types of posts take place frequently on RBC; read the original BountyJobs post. Jason can't be everywhere and relies on members of the community to point out these "ad attacks."

As his his right, Agastus then took the same content of his comment and created a blog post. But in the time frame that it was posted - so shortly after the BountyJobs thread - I viewed it...I suppose right or wrong depending upon how much time you've put into this community...as him thumbing his nose at me - and others in this community.

I've pointed out other blatant ads to Jason and accounts have been removed; if no one other than Jason took ownership of spammers we'd be overrun in a matter of weeks. RBC lives and dies by the content; honest discussions of RPO are great - whether they work any better than in-house is a great debate.

But this one was over the top; and I won't apologize for being a Badboy if in the long run the community thrives...

Steve Sill said:
This is just mean spirited. I think that anyone who reads a blog can make decisions for them selves. You obviously have far too much time on your hands.
SS raises an interesting point. Do we lose when newbie bloggers are reticent to post because they're afraid they're not posting "correctly" and run the risk of being crucified? Is any attention (good/bad) really all good in the 'sphere? Is there another kinder, gentler way besides this baptism by fire to learn the ropes online? Is it fair to others who are, as Animal declared, "recruitosphere patriots, concerned citizens spending their own time turning postings that are made out of pablum into a discussion of real issues" to go back over the same thing time and time again? "Here, honey, let me show you how it's done..."

Have we become insensitive and jaded? Or is this the natural way in an ecosystem like this - as systems develop participation requirements accelerate? What say you?
Just for the record - I am not in any way interested in crucifying, attacking or flaming anyone.
Steve, I agree with you and what I see here seems like nothing more than a mutual jack off session because obviously, there is a lot of time on a lot of peoples hands. This has really been an eye opener for me and it's these things that make it difficult for people to feel good about contributing content and ideas. It's the disasters that force change and I thank you all for this particular disaster.

Steve Sill said:
I actually did not read Agastus's blog till after I heard about "the bad guys" from Maureen on Twitter, yesterday morning (PDT). While I have no issues regarding flaming someone who wants to interject an ad into another person's post, this concept of organized "name calling", does not feel right. Also Agastus's blog was not the only one listed, there is a also link to a blog posted on "Fist Full of Talent", which appears to be more of an opinion peace.

If organized attacks like this continue on RBC I feel that it will have long term implications on its growth. People who are just starting to blog (of which I am one, and not a regular one at that :)) may fear such attacks on their well meaning blog.

Steve Levy said:
Steve et. al.

I'll ask the question that others have not asked...why did this start?

We were having another one of our ubiquitous BountyJobs discussions when Agastus elected to toss in a tangential, highly-canned comment abou... - it smacked of bait-and-switchness.

You will eventually come to recognize that these types of posts take place frequently on RBC; read the original BountyJobs post. Jason can't be everywhere and relies on members of the community to point out these "ad attacks."

As his his right, Agastus then took the same content of his comment and created a blog post. But in the time frame that it was posted - so shortly after the BountyJobs thread - I viewed it...I suppose right or wrong depending upon how much time you've put into this community...as him thumbing his nose at me - and others in this community.

I've pointed out other blatant ads to Jason and accounts have been removed; if no one other than Jason took ownership of spammers we'd be overrun in a matter of weeks. RBC lives and dies by the content; honest discussions of RPO are great - whether they work any better than in-house is a great debate.

But this one was over the top; and I won't apologize for being a Badboy if in the long run the community thrives...

Steve Sill said:
This is just mean spirited. I think that anyone who reads a blog can make decisions for them selves. You obviously have far too much time on your hands.
Not a new question...and no, we haven't become insensitive or jaded - we've actually become more caring about the community. The only things we're obliged to offer are (a) telling newbies that we were all new once, (b) one must be prepared to back up what you write, and (c) the community is protective and you too will one day be protective.

Without standards we're left with Yahoo groups...

Maureen Sharib said:
SS raises an interesting point. Do we lose when newbie bloggers are reticent to post because they're afraid they're not posting "correctly" and run the risk of being crucified? Is any attention (good/bad) really all good in the 'sphere? Is there another kinder, gentler way besides this baptism by fire to learn the ropes online? Is it fair to others who are, as Animal declared, "recruitosphere patriots, concerned citizens spending their own time turning postings that are made out of pablum into a discussion of real issues" to go back over the same thing time and time again? "Here, honey, let me show you how it's done..."

Have we become insensitive and jaded? Or is this the natural way in an ecosystem like this - as systems develop participation requirements accelerate? What say you?
Steve Sill, you misunderstand.

What you call "organized name-calling" is merely an organization promoting dialogue by identifying (for interested parties) blog postings that require comment.

If bloggers don't want comments, maybe they shouldn't post.
Maureen worries about bloggers who need Prozac when someone points out an error.

But you know that Aggie is not a blogger. He's a spammer.
I suggest that there be no rough talk (sexual references) in this session. Especially from the Bad Guys.
Uh, where do I sing up for the free love and nickel beer?

Sandra’s right, comments belong to the individual not “Bad Guys”. Can RecruitingBlogs ban individuals from challenging blogs? That would be a slap in the face of social networking. The future would look pretty bleak if they started a “Speak No Evil” policy. Readers and writers will disappear in droves. A policy like that would more destructive than Bad Guys – by far.
The Comment Club - http://cli.gs/ty56LM

I already got a nasty reply from a non-member
So much for my discussion point the other day about a drop on activity on RBC huh.... nothing like a little controversy.

As long as things aren't personal, rude, disrespectful, defamitory, sexist, ageist.. or any other ist's it fine I think, whilst the torches and pitchfork approach may be a little overkill the idea that people need to have some depth in what they are saying is solid.

I will admit though that I think the reaction to Agastus blog went into overdrive and hyperbole, and I'll admit I got in early (but my comment got deleted!).

I think (my opinion) a lot of people People take things that are written down (anywhere) as truth. There is a danger with this, esp in Social media where barriers to entry are virtually non existent, people need to be held accountable and be able to debate points if required.
I didn't see the comment that was deleted. I told Maureen, "Dan Nuroo is such a nice guy. I can't believe he said anything that awful."

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