: The Replacement for Cold Calling.
After pages and pages of recruiters taking issue with social media being a replacement for anything and multiple attempts by multiple irritated and some more gentle recruiters trying to point out that social media was.
A. Not a replacment for cold calls.
B. Only one of the things that we use.
C. He was being a lot absurd in making an erroneous sweeping statement.
D. As a person with no recruiting experience and only five months experience as a marketer for a recruiting firm he might not yet have the experience to make that kind of claim just yet.
E. It might be well advised for his own personal brand not to be a know it all jerk.
He drew himself up in righteous indignation and took the mature and intelligent approach to decide that if i made any further reference to his age or inexperience that he would delete any further posts.
I suggested to the boy wonder that my last post was no reference to his age and experience but making fun of my own dotage as well as making the point that all of us had been using his definition of social media in some form since the early 90's. He didn't like that either. In a serious attempt to offer him some advice i suggested to him that all of us started out thinking that we were going to set the world on fire and flew too close to the sun early on in our careers before we learned much and now laugh at some of the goofy stuff we did and the fools we made of ourselves with some of our outrageous great statements when we knew just enough to be dangerous and didn't yet have the sense to shut our mouths and give our ears a chance.
I further suggested to him that a very good editor had once told me if i stirred up a hornets nest to go back and read all my posts without reading what everybody else had written and most of all to pay close attention to the headline of my article as it set the tone for everything that followed. Most of all to never say never or always and not to put myself in a hole before i started digging. His passion was certainly notable but to go back and read all the responses that referred to a rookie, hiring a teenager because they knew everything, headlines that made people mention it made their teeth grind, the analogy of a 12 year old wearing the opposing team baseball cap in the home team city, etc. etc. Then give some thought to the possiblity that all of us are interested in new ideas so perhaps he might not have pissed off so many folks if he had given more thought to his headline. I suggested that acting like a defensive punk might not be the best way to be well received or to make his case.
I closed by letting him know that this was some serious advice from a seasoned old bitch who loved a good rumble.
He didn't like that either so simply said i had posted something else negative and wanted to keep all this on a positive note. So deleted my post and said so. Dumb kid.
Another poster just suggested to him for the 40th time that cold calling was part of our process as well as email, various sites ,social media etc.
The funny thing about all this is that after a Headline that says SOCIAL RECRUITING - REPLACMENT FOR COLD CALLING. He now postulates that he never suggested that any of the proven methods of recruiting should be done away with and social media is an aid to calling and doesn't understand why nobody can "get" what he is trying to say. Dear Boy Wonder look up the definition of the word replacement before you write another headline.
Here is his direct comment from his last post.
" But I mean the issue that I can't seem to make clear is that this post isnt about social recruiting replacing traditional recruiting but simply supplementing it"
Dear Boy Wonder. Write a memo to yourself. TRADITIONAL RECRUITING IS COLD CALLING, IF I WRITE A HEADLINE THAT SAYS "SOCIAL RECRUITING: REPLACMENT FOR COLD CALLING" MY POST IS ABOUT SOCIAL RECRUITING REPLACING TRADITIONAL RECRUITING TO ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN IN THE BUSINESS FOR MORE THAN FIVE MONTHS!
I love it when a baby Troll flys too close to the sun, writes a Troll headline, sets himself up for a fronal attack, starts deleting comments that he doesn't like in order to keep the discussion on a positive note. then does a 180 on what he meant in the first place. But really, he hasn't been around long enough to know what traditional recruiting is so..aw hell it's Christmas, i'll give him a break if he can manage to grow up a little bit.
Somehow it reminds me of Christmas's past :)
I am sending the baby troll a gift certificate for a class on how to laugh at himself, what to do when you posture too much and get your puppy nose slapped and what happens when you start deleting comments cuz "if you says one more thing bout' my age and experience i am gonna, boy i'm gonna show you, i'll by god rise up and delete your comments..so there.
We have probably all been there but most of us said oops when we stepped on the "stupid" land mine and took a big bite of the shit sandwich. I remember the first troll headline i ever wrote. Made such a jerk of myself that it had to get funny before i dug myself out of the hole. Let's hope that this one uses his "learners permit" and grows up wise enough to use his talent and passion in a more mature manner. It would be nice if we could just delete everything we didn't like...but that ain't recruiting. Unless of course one spends all their time on twitter hiding behind an avatar so their feelers don't get bopped in 140 characters and can just unfollow. That sort of makes me want to unswallow. Twitter this bear hugger, like i said, i was using social media before you could spell it.…
themselves in the foot all by themselves. There are certainly cases where good candidates who are a fit don't get any traction for all kinds of reasons. Dumb, rude recruiters who don't know a good one from a bad one only being one of many. Most of the time if there is no response the recruiter simply had better, more experienced or more industry specific candidates apply. We don't make any money if we don't place people.
I just phone interviewed a candidate last week who had one of the most impressive resumes i have ever seen. She had responded to a posting on monster. I emailed her back immediately and exchanged several more emails with her late one evening. Ending with setting a time to call her the next afternoon and best number. When i reached her numbers -two of them got two voice mail recordings. I left name, company and position title that we had discussed. Thirty minutes later she called back saying, "someone from this number called me". I stated my name again and mentioned that we had emailed re a position and were set for a phone interview. Her next question ,who is the company? "Do you know them?" I explained again who i was, mentioned that we had exchanged emails the night before, i was a third party recruiter retained by the company. She then asked if i were going to market her. I told her it was my job to interview her first, determine if she had the specific kind of tax experience my client needed, was in the acceptable salary range, if so i would identify the client ,if she wanted me to move forward ,i would submit her resume and see what the client thought. Her next remark was , "so the company doesn't know you." I explained that the company knew me well enough that they had sent me a check for 10K to retain me to recruit for them.
She had responded to a posting, sent her resume and set a time for me to call her so i was a little taken aback at her questions and comments. I asked her two questions, the answers were goofy, she sounded like she was either drunk or recovering from a serious head injury and hadn't made it back yet. I ended that waste of time by telling her that i did not think she was a fit for the position so would let her know if anything else came in that might be.
She has called my office four times since yesterday at 4:00 demanding to know more about what my client is looking for and what they have said about her resume. At this juncture she is hot that i called her and now will not call her back. She has obviously responded to every posting she can find, doesn't remember that she did and has no recollection of our emails blah, blah. Will i call her back. No of course not. She will probably remember my name as one of those recruiters who would not return her call. Do i give a rip. Absolutely not.
I have been stalked, called a racist via email when i responded to a candidate via email that her resume was not a fit. Had a candidate that i told we did not handle the type of job he wanted file a complaint with the better business bureau because he came by our office without an appointment then wanted me to pay his expenses to drive from an area town to drop in on us without an appointment. I constantly have to fight candidates who want to come by my office to discuss what kind of job they want for two hours when i tell them that i don't place people in their field. Then they call and email daily wanting to know if i have anything for them. When i don't respond they bitch to any and everybody they can find. Do i care, absolutely not.
I think what most candidates do not understand is that even if on the surface it appears that they might have some merit for a job there are multiple factors that can not be posted. There are multiple reasons that even with surface merit a candidate is not a fit. Things like the last four jobs being less than a year and half. We know many people are being laid off multiple times and but they can't compete with candidates who have three jobs in the past 15 years in the eyes of our employers.
I set a policy in my office last year that we would respond to all applications from postings. It turned into a nightmare. The ones who were Lowe's managers responding to jobs requiring a CPA certificate were sent a short email that said. Thank you for your application please refer to the job requirements.
Half the time we got nasty emails back saying they might not have an accounting degree or be a CPA but if we could read we would see that they had done the payroll tax reports and their own 1040 so certainly should be a consideration as they could learn to do anything related to tax. WE no longer respond to all applications only those that fit most of the requirements. For the same reason that i do not call every phone marketer back to tell them why i am not interested in what they are trying to sell me or call every wrong number voice mail back to tell them they have the wrong number.
So the end result is that we review resumes, pick the top three to five, phone interview them, forward on the top three, let them know something as soon as we know something and do not respond to the ones that were filtered out for many reasons. We may go back to some of them later for other jobs or if requirements change. If they are mad that we didn't respond to their first application so be it. We are not going to tell them that based on the other candidates we received they were a sloppy second on the first position.
I feel a great deal of empathy for candidates who are trying hard to find a job but i can't make them be a fit if they are not. I am tired of arguing, splaining to folks who won't listen and do not relish making their day worse by telling them that based on the other candidates they were dismal. So in many cases not responding is a kindness for both of us. Sorry i wish it were differenct but it's not in my bubble.
If the government is going to up their respond time and respond to every submission it is my fervent hope that they will hire a whole bunch of these folks that apply for everything to do that job. They will learn a lot. :)…